|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total) |
| |
ChatGPT | |
Total: 916,902 Year: 4,159/9,624 Month: 1,030/974 Week: 357/286 Day: 0/13 Hour: 0/0 |
Thread ▼ Details |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: COVID vaccine works - we're saved! | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Sure, there are many factors that can disrupt food production. Take your pick. But I think your claim that shutting down one part of the economy has no effect on another part of the economy is not correct. It just demonstrates that the government is not well prepared to deal with droughts, supply chain problems, labor shortages, energy prices, and war. Shutting down any portion of the economy under these circumstances will only stress the system more. One of the results of all these policies is an increased cost in food production, an early sign of disruption of food production.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:You posted my quote. Where did I write "these people"?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Keinman writes: Who here understands the mathematical behavior of descent with modification and adaptation? Taq understood that I did the math correctly for asexual replications but claimed that recombination causes a significant difference in the process. He uses a constant environment single selection pressure environment to argue his point. He refused to acknowledge what happens in a multiple-selection pressure environment. With regards to cancer treatment failure, it is targeted cancer therapies. Single-drug targeted cancer therapy faces the same problem that single-drug antimicrobial therapy faces. If the target site mutates such that the agent that is being used cannot bind (react correctly) with that site, that variant cell will have some resistance to that agent. The problem that oncologists face is finding alternate targets that the normal host cells don't have. This is a much more difficult task since cancer cells are variants of normal host cells. That is not the case when looking for targets in microbes. Sure, but how does that tie in to HIV and all those questions you asked regarding locking up contagious people, which is where you started. I thought your evolution/cancer points would tie back to that somehow. Did you change subjects? --Percy
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Kleinman writes: But I think your claim that shutting down one part of the economy has no effect on another part of the economy is not correct. Your claim that I claimed that is incorrect. Sure, everything's interconnected, but covid shutdowns are not one of the significant contributors to increased food costs. Drought, labor shortages, supply chain issues and the Ukraine war are the significant contributors, just as I said.
It just demonstrates that the government is not well prepared to deal with droughts, supply chain problems, labor shortages, energy prices, and war. Which still doesn't support the case that covid shutdowns are a significant factor in food production.
Shutting down any portion of the economy under these circumstances will only stress the system more. Sure, everything's interconnected. This still doesn't make the case that covid shutdowns are a significant impactor on food production.
One of the results of all these policies is an increased cost in food production, an early sign of disruption of food production. Again, still not a case that covid shutdowns are a significant impactor on food production. I'm not arguing for or against shutdowns, only saying that you can't blame declines in food production on covid shutdowns to any meaningful extent. --Percy
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Kleinman writes: You posted my quote. Where did I write "these people"? From your Message 670:
Kleinman in Message 670: But as I said, I see now that you meant physicians when you said "these people." --Percy
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:The inability of HIV to evolve efficiently to 3-drug therapy should be a lesson to people that think that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals. And I only advocate that biologists and atheists be locked up. I look forward to your response to this.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:I know how you can solve this problem. Make everyone buy an electric car and shut down oil production.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:I meant physicians and healthcare personnel. There are a lot more people that work in clinics and hospitals than just physicians and they all have close contact with people that have infectious diseases.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
|
Have you no idea how the practice of medicine works? Primary care docs don't have e time to bother with that. The specialists and researchers figure it out and give them the tools. Infectious disease specialists deal with infectious diseases. Damn, you must be a really shitty doc.
Edited by Theodoric, : spelling and such What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
|
He goes from subject to subject randomly claiming gotchas.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:I'm sure you will explain it to me, right after you explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. And I know the infectious disease specialist at the research hospital where I do my continuing medical education. UC San Franciso runs the program and he is a full professor. He has no idea how drug resistance evolves.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:Try not to be so getable.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
|
Kleinman writes: The inability of HIV to evolve efficiently to 3-drug therapy should be a lesson to people that think that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals. And I only advocate that biologists and atheists be locked up. I look forward to your response to this. This is a Coffee House thread on Covid. Your Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." thread over in the Biological Evolution forum where you last discussed this topic is probably more appropriate. It's still open. Or you could propose a new thread. --Percy
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:The same principles of the suppression of the evolution of drug resistance of HIV to 3-drug therapy apply to Covid, Influenza, or any kind of replicator that you can think of.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Kleinman writes: The same principles of the suppression of the evolution of drug resistance of HIV to 3-drug therapy apply to Covid, Influenza, or any kind of replicator that you can think of. If you still want to discuss this then the appropriate thread is the one where you were originally discussing it. Please don't turn this thread into another discussion of the same thing. --Percy
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024