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Topic: COVID vaccine works - we're saved!
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
I blame biologists like you for the failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.Tanypteryx:
Like I said, you always blame it on the people who pointed out your dangerous errors.
It's amazing how many infections have been avoided with N95 facemasks and hand washing!
Feel free to point out my "dangerous errors" in the explanation of how drug resistance evolves and how cancer treatments fail. Here are the peer-reviewed (by experts in the field) and published papers. For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selectionAnd for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistanceGo for Tany, find my errors and show your skills in probability theory.
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 647 of 1110 (909825)
04-11-2023 5:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 643 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 4:45 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes: I blame biologists like you for the failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. It's too bad you didn't notice the lessons of the Covid pandemic. I don't know the percentage of the population, but I suspect more than 50%, will not heed the health care warnings or advise of any scientist or medical researcher or anyone with advanced training or knowledge. They don't listen to any explanations of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. So, what's your plan?
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.8
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Message 648 of 1110 (909826)
04-11-2023 5:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 641 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 4:34 PM
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Intention Kleinman, intention. Wrap your bizarre, corrupted mind around that. Deliberate and planned. Knowingly causing harm.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
I blame biologists like you for the failure to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
Tanypteryx:
It's too bad you didn't notice the lessons of the Covid pandemic. I don't know the percentage of the population, but I suspect more than 50%, will not heed the health care warnings or advise of any scientist or medical researcher or anyone with advanced training or knowledge. They don't listen to any explanations of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
Why don't you show your expertise in vaccination science and explain why when you are vaccinated you can't spread the infection which is wrong? Do that since you won't explain to us how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. And you won't show us the "dangerous errors" in my math.
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Message 650 of 1110 (909828)
04-11-2023 5:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 648 by Tangle
04-11-2023 5:26 PM
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Tangle:
Intention Kleinman, intention. Wrap your bizarre, corrupted mind around that. Deliberate and planned. Knowingly causing harm.
So your plan is to throw in jail only those that intend to spread infections. Those that don't have any intention to spread the infection but spread it anyway should be free as a bird?
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 651 of 1110 (909829)
04-11-2023 5:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 649 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 5:46 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
OK, so you have no plan.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Tanypteryx:
OK, so you have no plan.
What plan? I can explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail and you can't. I could plan to teach you some physics and mathematics, but why try to teach an old canine new tricks?
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 653 of 1110 (909831)
04-11-2023 7:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 652 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 6:02 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes: What plan? Your plan to cure cancer and antibiotic resistant infections, etc. that you are always boasting about, obviously. Why are you wasting all this time and all those lives ranting at biologists on the internet, when you could be saving all the people you like.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
What plan?Tanypteryx:
Your plan to cure cancer and antibiotic resistant infections, etc. that you are always boasting about, obviously. Why are you wasting all this time and all those lives ranting at biologists on the internet, when you could be saving all the people you like.
You don't understand my plans any better than you understand how drug resistance evolves or why cancer treatments fail. Why don't you explain to us why 3-drug combination therapy is used to treat HIV and not 2 or 4 drugs? Or didn't you learn how to do this math in your survey of mathematics course?
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Tanypteryx
Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: 08-27-2006 Member Rating: 5.0
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Message 655 of 1110 (909834)
04-11-2023 7:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 654 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 7:32 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes: You don't understand my plans Correct, that's why I asked what your plan is. You really sound like a quack.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty PythonOne important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman
Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: 10-06-2016
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
You don't understand my plansTanypteryx:
Correct, that's why I asked what your plan is. You really sound like a quack.
You sound like a typical poorly trained biologist, you don't understand how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 4.9
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Message 657 of 1110 (909846)
04-12-2023 7:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 624 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 12:17 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes: So you think that anyone diagnosed with influenza should be confined? I think they should follow the standard medical advice, which is to stay home and avoid contact with other people, and to mask if they have to go out. What is it about epidemiology that you don't understand? --Percy
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Percy
Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 4.9
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Message 658 of 1110 (909847)
04-12-2023 7:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 641 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 4:34 PM
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Kleinman writes: This brings us back to the question, should everyone with a contagious disease be locked up? There are over 10 million people with latent tuberculosis in the United States. Should they be locked up? Just follow your own logic and you'll see the answer is no, because latent tuberculosis isn't contagious. The Washington woman you're probably thinking of does not have latent tuberculosis. She has an active infection and is contagious. Of course people with an active tuberculosis infection should not be locked up, because the vast majority of them, once informed of the diagnosis, seek treatment. But this woman refused treatment and visited places where many people congregate in close proximity, such as casinos. She was arrested because of the threat to public health and "will be held in Pierce County Jail for up to 45 days for testing and treatment until she is no longer a threat to public health, court documents say." ( Tacoma woman with tuberculosis found in contempt of court after refusing treatment | CNN) --Percy
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Percy
Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 4.9
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Message 659 of 1110 (909848)
04-12-2023 7:31 AM
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Reply to: Message 645 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 4:58 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes: Should those people [with HIV] be locked up because they might transmit the disease? Which person with an infectious disease should not be locked up? California just completed decriminalizing HIV a few years ago. Given the unintended negative consequences of criminalization, why argue for recriminalization? --Percy
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Percy
Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 4.9
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Message 660 of 1110 (909849)
04-12-2023 7:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 649 by Kleinman
04-11-2023 5:46 PM
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Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes: Why don't you show your expertise in vaccination science and explain why when you are vaccinated you can't spread the infection which is wrong? You're referring to a common public misperception of how vaccination works, not to the understanding of anyone here.
Do that since you won't explain to us how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. And you won't show us the "dangerous errors" in my math. You keep coming back to this, but only in the form of asking questions. What do you think the lessons are of drug resistance evolution and failed cancer treatments? --Percy
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