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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
Dredge
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Message 691 of 1104 (909122)
03-28-2023 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 645 by Tangle
03-27-2023 1:49 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
qs=Tangled]Atheists tend to be rational so that's unlikely, but whatever the proportion, your comment is irrelevant.[/qs] Yeah, right ... atheists are so rational that they believe in the profoundly irrational superstition that life on earth began naturally. Fundamentalist atheist fruit-cakes aplenty.
Scientists are overwhelmingly also believers, I'm afraid you can't blame scientific findings on atheists ...

Atheists are only 17% of scientists and as science progresses by consensus, you're just plain wrong about science and atheism.
Sophistry. The vast majority of evolutionary biologists are atheists.

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Kleinman
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Message 692 of 1104 (909123)
03-28-2023 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 689 by Dredge
03-28-2023 12:42 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
They think they have the corner on science but don't understand the simplest principles.
What is sad is how their kind of thinking permeates the field of biology. It is no wonder that biologists have failed to explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. They are too busy pursuing their pseudo-scientific beliefs, like nested hierarchies and these weird claims about retroviruses.
Dredge:
That's what happens when atheist fantasies about the history of life on earth replaces true science.

They are an arrogant clique. They aren't much different than the cliques you read about in the Bible. It is no surprise that they won't read the Bible and actually don't want the Bible to be taught. The Bible reveals too many of their sins.

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Dredge
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Message 693 of 1104 (909124)
03-28-2023 12:56 PM
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03-27-2023 1:49 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Tangled writes:
Atheists tend to be rational so that's unlikely, but whatever the proportion, your comment is irrelevant.
Yeah, right ... atheists are so rational that they believe in the profoundly irrational superstition that life on earth began naturally. Fundamentalist atheist fruit-cakes aplenty.
Scientists are overwhelmingly also believers, I'm afraid you can't blame scientific findings on atheists ...

Atheists are only 17% of scientists and as science progresses by consensus, you're just plain wrong about science and atheism.
Sophistry. The vast majority of evolutionary biologists are atheists.

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Kleinman
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Message 694 of 1104 (909125)
03-28-2023 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 690 by Dredge
03-28-2023 12:46 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman:
Don't you know that atheists can prove there is no God?
Dredge:
Their claims about God are as embarrassing as some of their claims about science.

This is what happens when there is a lack of teaching of the Bible. This leads to the behavior of doing what is right in their own mind. The problem is that they have a twisted idea of what is right.

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Dredge
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Message 695 of 1104 (909126)
03-28-2023 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 645 by Tangle
03-27-2023 1:49 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
A dose of reality for you ...
"The question of religious belief among US scientists has been debated since early in the century. Our latest survey finds that, among the top natural scientists, disbelief is greater than ever — almost total."
Leading scientists still reject God | Nature
According to a survey conducted among
Fellows of the Royal Society of London, more than 90% of them working in the Biological Sciences were evidently atheists, having disagreed with the following statement:
"I believe that there is a strong likelihood that a supernatural being such as God exists or has existed."
The paper concluded with,
"We set out to investigate whether or not preeminent British scientists share their American colleagues’ rejection of supernatural religion and found that they do."
Eminent scientists reject the supernatural: a survey of the Fellows of the Royal Society | Evolution: Education and Outreach | Full Text
"A survey of all 517 NAS members in biological and physical sciences resulted in just over half responding. 72.2% were overtly atheistic, 20.8% agnostic, and only 7.0% believed in a personal God. Belief in God and immortality was lowest among biologists."
National Academy of Science is Godless to the Core–Survey | Answers in Genesis

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Dredge
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Message 696 of 1104 (909128)
03-28-2023 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 692 by Kleinman
03-28-2023 12:56 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
"The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.'" Psalm 14:1

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Tangle
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Message 697 of 1104 (909129)
03-28-2023 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 693 by Dredge
03-28-2023 12:56 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Dredge writes:
Yeah, right ... atheists are so rational that they believe in the profoundly irrational superstition that life on earth began naturally.
I don't know any atheists that believe that. I know a few that think it likely and others that don't know, believe or care.
Atheism is a non-belief in god(s). It has no opinion on abiogenesis.
Sophistry. The vast majority of evolutionary biologists are atheists.
Would you care to provide your evidence for that claim please.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Dredge
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Message 698 of 1104 (909130)
03-28-2023 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 688 by Kleinman
03-28-2023 12:17 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
They are sinners that can't do mathematics.
Who needs mathematics when you've got fantasy and superstition?

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Dredge
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Message 699 of 1104 (909131)
03-28-2023 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 694 by Kleinman
03-28-2023 1:03 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Kleinman writes:
This is what happens when there is a lack of teaching of the Bible. This leads to the behavior of doing what is right in their own mind. The problem is that they have a twisted idea of what is right.
"although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened" (Romans 1:19)

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Dredge
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Message 700 of 1104 (909132)
03-28-2023 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 697 by Tangle
03-28-2023 1:42 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Tangled writes:
Atheism is a non-belief in god(s). It has no opinion on abiogenesis.
What? Since atheists don't believe in a Creator, they believe abiogenesis happened naturally.
Francis Crick - atheist - concluded life on earth began by being "seeded" by visiting aliens. One absurd atheist superstition begets more absurd atheist superstition ...

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Dredge
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Message 701 of 1104 (909133)
03-28-2023 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 697 by Tangle
03-28-2023 1:42 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Dredge writes:
The vast majority of evolutionary biologists are atheists.
Tangled writes:
Would you care to provide your evidence for that claim please.
"According to a 1998 survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), nearly 95% of NAS biologists identify themselves as either atheists or agnostics, a percentage of unbelief far higher than in any other scientific discipline ...
Similarly, according to a 2003 Cornell survey of leading scientists in the field of evolution, 87% deny existence of God, 88% disbelieve in life after death"
What are the Religious Views of Leading Scientists Who Support Evolution? | Discovery Institute

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Tangle
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Message 702 of 1104 (909138)
03-28-2023 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 700 by Dredge
03-28-2023 1:56 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Dredge writes:
What? Since atheists don't believe in a Creator, they believe abiogenesis happened naturally.
You need to take a few logic lessons.
Atheism is a non-belief in god(s). It does not follow that they also believe in abiogenesis.
Some like me, think it the most likely explanation, many have no opinion because they don't think about it much, others just don't know. I know none that "believe" in abiogenesis. So you're provably wrong yet again.
Francis Crick - atheist - concluded life on earth began by being "seeded" by visiting aliens. One absurd atheist superstition begets more absurd atheist superstition
I don't know or care what Francis Crick thought about aliens and certainly don't trust a word you say about what he thought about it.
Life being seeded here from other parts of the galaxy is one possibility - amino acids and other molecules are found on asteroids - but it doesn't solve the problem of how life started elsewhere so that it could get here.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 703 of 1104 (909141)
03-28-2023 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 686 by Kleinman
03-28-2023 12:09 PM


You forgot to list those papers.
CAUTION: The listed papers above are considered to be bogus, filled with incorrect math and inappropriate conclusions.

The reader is advised to disregard their content as well as their author.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 704 of 1104 (909142)
03-28-2023 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 665 by Kleinman
03-27-2023 5:39 PM


Kleinman writes:
Don't forget panspermia.
Another fine example of the contributions atheist scientists have made to the field science-fiction.
I think someone must have watched too many episodes of Star Trek.

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Kleinman
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Message 705 of 1104 (909143)
03-28-2023 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 702 by Tangle
03-28-2023 2:40 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Tangle:
You need to take a few logic lessons...
I don't know or care what Francis Crick thought about aliens and certainly don't trust a word you say about what he thought about it.

Life being seeded here from other parts of the galaxy is one possibility - amino acids and other molecules are found on asteroids - but it doesn't solve the problem of how life started elsewhere so that it could get here.
Why don't you give us your logic about panspermia? Tell us how life came to Earth from the planet Krypton by the starship Enterprise, flown by R2D2. If you find that too difficult, tell us how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.

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