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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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Dredge...that last post is in fact an example of trollish behavior. You know darn well what they are trying to teach you about word definitions. Why can't you acknowledge it and move the conversation along rather than insist that your narrow view is correct?
Just sayin"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Parasomnium writes: That's why I put my money on the here and now, which is the only where and when I can do something about making my life, and that of others, worth living. Its like that old saying:
The Past Is HistoryThe Future Is A Mystery So Focus On The Present.(The present is a gift) Logically, if I (we, you) focus on the present, the future takes care of itself...no matter what happens.Edited by Phat, : fixed broken quote "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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One would think that if a five-year-old could indeed "prove" something, they would be using science for perhaps the first time in their young lives....through reasoning.
Perhaps their teacher would remind them that they proved nothing. They merely demonstrated it. Keep in mind what the peanut gallery has taught us about "proofs". Edited by Phat, : added "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric writes: The thought occurred to me so I did a quick search in order to find out what others thought of my assertion. How about backing this with some sort of evidence? I ended up at this page: What Makes Us Human And Separates Us from Animals? I used the first quote and browsed the article quickly (admittedly) but it seemed to be satisfactory evidence for my claim. Do you agree?"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You're not going to make an argument? In order to do that, I would have to learn the science behind the article. I can peruse something and learn the gist of what is being presented, but I don't have time to learn the subject any more than any of you take the time to learn what believers believe or why they so adamantly defend it. In order for me to learn the science, I would have to essentially take a class. In order for you to understand belief, you would literally have to suspend your intuitive demands for evidence and simply declare that you trust God (should He exist). Neither of us want to get so far out of our comfort zones."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
if you can do anything and know everything, why would you need to be everywhere? My first thought was that the Holy Spirit is a bit like having cellphone service. You want to be sure that you can connect whereever you happen to be. That being said, I agree that the first two cover the area quite well. Now about Omnibenevolence.
Wiki writes: Many critics and social activists insist that a God worthy of any homage, acknowledgment, or worship *must be* Onibenevolent. Omnibenevolence (from Latin omni- meaning "all", bene- meaning "good" and volens meaning "willing") is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as "unlimited or infinite benevolence". Some philosophers[citation needed] have argued that it is impossible, or at least improbable, for a deity to exhibit such a property alongside omniscience and omnipotence, as a result of the problem of evil. However, some philosophers, such as Alvin Plantinga, argue the plausibility of co-existence. The counter-argument is that God initially allowed (had to allow) evil to exist for two reasons.1) Humans needed exposure to the spirit of evil in order to revile against it, learn to fight it in ourselves and to finally become benevolent like God. 2) Satan(formerly Lucifer) had to be allowed an opportunity to rebel and reject God's authority in order to fulfill the freewill doctrine. Humans are given a choice and similar opportunities. Tange hates this theory and asks why God couldn't have dealt with evil by simply not creating/allowing it or by erasing it on our behalf. I don't have an answer except to suggest that if not only evil but God Himself was eliminated from the equation the problem realistically wouldn't go away. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
well...we have a say in what *we* do but no say (apart from uninformed opinions) about what God should do. the Book explains how we *should* relate to God and Jesus, but provides a few examples of how *they* should relate to us. After all, what standard is higher?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Next thing you know, they will change the wording on the money to "In Gods We Trust".
Or even worse, In Humanity We Trust. As if humanity has not caused all wars and economic crashes!"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
All it really suggests is "Live For Today. Today is sacred." Too many people live in the past
and/or dream of a future with no regard for reality. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: And that was a mistake. It was devolution rather than evolution. Sadly, the world will have to figure out this mistake the hard way. We came from where you are and realized that the belief was worthless. One prime example is the devolution of money. Money used to be backed by something solid and concrete. Now, due to our enlightened view of economics, money floats on the confidence that nations have for each other...a source that can change on a dime. (pun intended )
Many of us know more about your beliefs than you do. I challenge that. How can you know my own unique thought process, prayer life, and decisions I make? All you have to go on is my historical statements, my current behavior, and what my "in-group" believes. And you don't even know them!!"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If I turned into a troll, *you* turned into a one-sentence critic who imagines that he knows more than the rest of us. Sad, but expected.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I am as capable of it as anyone here. I took your advice Percy. Thank you. Thank you both.
Its not easy to change for the better. Apparently, it is far easier to get worse. And how does one simply change the emotional reactions that they find bottled up within them?Edited by Phat, . "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Here is an article you might like:
Scientific Proof Is A Myth quote: "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
yes. (And don't go mentioning God.) I've no need to prove Him anyway. He proves Himself to me when needed. My biggest challenge is to listen.
AZ writes: Some people rather like the idea of being Wizards. Highly evolved animals and their dreams! And don’t get me started on physics. I’m thinking it was Matt O’Dowd who said that physics makes us wizards capable of predicting the future and manipulating the foundations of reality. Gotta have more respect for wizards. They do some other real wizard stuff too like look into the past and watch whales evolve."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat writes:
Some people rather like the idea of being Wizards. Highly evolved animals and their dreams!AZPaul3 writes: Honestly I can't figure out what monster you are talking about...though organized religion historically could be a valid culprit. Soldiers coming home from Viet Nam used to be labeled as "baby killers" which had some truth to it--though war, in general, is hell by definition. And in that case, the "monster" in question was both the United States and the spread of global Communism in general. Don't kid yourself...they would have killed our babies too if they had a longer reach! Yes, we like that. Just like those who like the idea of being acolytes to a bloody monster. I did look up your boy Matt O Dowd and watched a few episodes of PBS Space Time. It was fascinating and highly inconclusive, as any good science show should be! Quantum physics is as close to Majik as any human mortal will ever get.Edited by Phat, . Edited by Phat, : changed sub title "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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