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Percy
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Message 1097 of 1110 (895749)
07-18-2022 7:07 AM


Finally, a Good Guy With a Gun!
Three people were killed and 2 injured before a 22-year-old from Bartholomew County killed the gunman at the Greenwood Park Mall in Indianapolis last night. This single incident is proof-positive of what the gun nuts have been telling us all along, that it only takes one good-guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. If only everyone was armed all the time mass shootings would all become more like this with only a few dead and injured instead of many. Yes, a few still die or are maimed for life, but that's a price we all willingly and proudly pay to remain the most free nation in the world. Not the most safe, but the most free, which is far more important, because you know you're free when you're packing and are constantly peering around every corner on the lookout for threats. (Mass shooting at Greenwood Park Mall leaves multiple dead, injured)
Keep this freedom in mind the next time you vote, which more and more of you will have to do in person as increasing numbers of jurisdictions are recognizing that mail-in ballots are just a source of widespread fraud and the way Democrats steal elections. Those of you who have been gerrymandered out of existence as a meaningful voter can just skip future elections. Those of you with insufficient ID or who have had all your polling places but one closed or who have to pass through a phalanx of open carry enforcers of honest elections can just stay home.
Long live freedom!
--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typo, minor clarification.


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Message 1098 of 1110 (895752)
07-18-2022 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1097 by Percy
07-18-2022 7:07 AM


Re: Finally, a Good Guy With a Gun!
Percy writes:
... you know you're free when you're packing and are constantly peering around every corner on the lookout for threats.
Several years ago, on another forum, an American was saying he had visited Vancouver and he was glad he was "packing". First I told him I didn't believe it was that easy to smuggle guns into Canada. (Our border guards are constantly encountering Americans who don't realize that you can't cross the border with a trunk full of guns.)
Then I pointed out to him that millions of Canadians walk those streets every day unarmed.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Message 1099 of 1110 (896275)
08-04-2022 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1097 by Percy
07-18-2022 7:07 AM


Re: Finally, a Good Guy With a Gun!
Here's another example of a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy with a gun, in this case a robber. A man with an assault-style rifle entered an LA convenience store and pointed it at the 80-year-old owner. The owner grabbed a shotgun from under the counter and shot the man who fled out to a waiting SUV screaming, "He shot my arm off."
Whether at work or strolling around town or whatever, if everyone would just have shotguns with them at all times then crime would be much reduced. Any increase in shootings and stolen firearms and whatever else is easily justified by how much more safe we'll all feel.
The main perpetrator was found at a Southern California hospital in stable but critical condition. When his partners in crime and their stolen SUV were arrested they found a number of stolen firearms. I'm sure all those firearms were safely locked up by their owners in high quality lockboxes and that these criminals are just master locksmiths. The lesson here is that people should buy more guns and not worry about them getting used against themselves, family or friends or being stolen.
80-year-old store owner shoots suspect who attempted to rob LA-area convenience store
--Percy

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Message 1100 of 1110 (896279)
08-04-2022 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1099 by Percy
08-04-2022 8:37 AM


Re: Finally, a Good Guy With a Gun!
The sad thing is that people like Jar will think this tale supports their arguments.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1101 of 1110 (896487)
08-11-2022 7:13 AM


In A Nutshell

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 1102 of 1110 (896491)
08-11-2022 10:45 AM
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08-04-2022 10:46 AM


Re: Finally, a Good Guy With a Gun!
Jar would argue that the constitution supports the argument. What would the old 80-year-old shop owner have done to protect himself otherwise?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Percy
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Message 1103 of 1110 (896492)
08-11-2022 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1101 by Phat
08-11-2022 7:13 AM


Re: In A Nutshell
About the "No one actually does anything" part, you do realize that if the Republicans in Congress and state legislatures were suddenly somehow magicked away that (ignoring the quorum problems) legislation would quickly be passed requiring registration, training, certification, licensing, inspections for proper storage, recertification, etc., everything that conservatives oppose but that would make our laws more closely resemble those in Europe where gun violence is much less.
The solution to gun violence is simple: fewer guns overall, and laws that require gun owners to be more responsible.
--Percy

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Message 1104 of 1110 (896493)
08-11-2022 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1103 by Percy
08-11-2022 11:00 AM


Re: In A Nutshell
Perhaps the only question is this: With such legislation in place, would the thieves still be able to get their guns illegally?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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ringo
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Message 1105 of 1110 (896506)
08-11-2022 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1104 by Phat
08-11-2022 11:04 AM


Re: In A Nutshell
Phat writes:
With such legislation in place, would the thieves still be able to get their guns illegally?
As I have suggested before, ALL guns were legal when they were manufactured. The thieves are getting them from "responsible gun owners".

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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Message 1106 of 1110 (896508)
08-11-2022 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1101 by Phat
08-11-2022 7:13 AM


Re: In A Nutshell
"No one actually does anything" needs to be corrected to:
Republicans block all attempts to do anything.

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Message 1107 of 1110 (896512)
08-11-2022 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1104 by Phat
08-11-2022 11:04 AM


Re: In A Nutshell
But if they have guns they will be arrested. As always, your argument is stupid.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1108 of 1110 (896513)
08-12-2022 12:08 AM
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08-11-2022 12:50 PM


Re: In A Nutshell
The thieves are getting them from "responsible gun owners".
not entirely there is also straw purchases and theft from gun stores

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Percy
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Message 1109 of 1110 (896515)
08-12-2022 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 1104 by Phat
08-11-2022 11:04 AM


Re: In A Nutshell
Phat writes:
Perhaps the only question is this: With such legislation in place, would the thieves still be able to get their guns illegally?
Of course it will remain possible to obtain guns illegally. When have laws and law enforcement ever eliminated any type of crime? Any other stupid questions?
What's important is that the more that guns are properly stored in lockboxes, the harder it will be to steal them. Of course they'll need regulations for safe lockboxes. For example, this is not a safe lockbox:
A thief can just pick it up and walk out, then smash the box open at his leisure. A lock cable is almost useless since a serious thief will have a serious pair of cable cutters. A serious lockbox is bolted to a metal frame that has been integrated in some way to the building's structure. Bolting it to wood is useless because a crowbar can pry the lockbox out of wood. Oh, and you need a separate lockbox for your ammunition.
Once guns are safely locked away in serious lockboxes maybe people will realize the guns are not really available for home defense, and further, that their homes and persons have never been under constant threat of attack by thieves and murderers, that the country, most of it, is a far safer place than they thought.
--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Grammar.


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ringo
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Message 1110 of 1110 (896517)
08-12-2022 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1108 by DrJones*
08-12-2022 12:08 AM


Re: In A Nutshell
DrJones writes:
ringo writes:
The thieves are getting them from "responsible gun owners".
not entirely there is also straw purchases and theft from gun stores
I didn't say entirely. But we need to stop giving the "responsible gun owners" a pass.

"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt."
-- motto of the Special Olympians

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