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marc9000
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Message 1082 of 1110 (895484)
07-02-2022 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1080 by Theodoric
07-02-2022 8:40 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
Your original post insinuated that there is open carry. There is not.
FROM YOUR LINK;
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It is, however, quite common to see a person in military service or a sport shooter to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded. The issue of such exceptional permits are extremely selective
Uh oh!! Care to try again? Or just name call? (open carry is very rare in the U.S.) It's not "quite common".

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Message 1083 of 1110 (895485)
07-03-2022 4:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1081 by marc9000
07-02-2022 9:04 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
As usual here, I'm facing a frantic gang, who pulls me in different directions, trying to shout down free speech.
So what you want is a world in which you get to exercise your free speech, but we can't.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Percy
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Message 1084 of 1110 (895486)
07-03-2022 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1079 by marc9000
07-02-2022 8:34 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
Theodoric went very easy on you. Message 1048 where you replied to a sarcastic comment from Tangle is the message in question:
marc9000 in Message 1048 writes:
Tangle writes:
You're not thinking straight Percy. If everyone had to carry a gun by law, then, as there's more good guys than bad guys, it would obviously work out. The trick is to arm everyone.
Very good, that's how Switzerland does it.
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As for gun-related crime in general, a 2001 BBC article reported that in Switzerland “the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept.”
Gun Ownership in Switzerland
Tangle sarcastically comments that if it were the law that everyone had to carry, since good guys outnumber bad guys it "would obviously work out." You responded that that's how Switzerland does it and quoted Snopes, which doesn't back you up one bit. Switzerland is not a country of open carry. Theodoric responded with Wikipedia, which also doesn't back you up one bit, again because Switzerland is not a country of open carry. Here is your own Snopes reference contradicting you:
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To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a permit, which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.
  —Snopes
The only way you can seem to find to defend your comments is to misunderstand the criticism and go off in some random direction hoping people will forget what you actually said.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 1085 of 1110 (895488)
07-03-2022 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 1081 by marc9000
07-02-2022 9:04 PM


Re: Our Well Regulated Militia
marc9000 writes:
I guess it depends on who is reading what I wrote. I really avoided responding to much of your off-topic comments in both Message 1060 and Message 1062.
All my off-topic comments were responses to your off-topic comments. I introduced no new off-topic subjects. They all originated with you.
You're right about the dependency on who is reading what you wrote. Everyone but you can see your errors quite clearly. Even while cleaning up your messes you create yet more messes.
What you see as "free association mode", comes from two distinct things; 1) As usual here, I'm facing a frantic gang, who pulls me in different directions, trying to shout down free speech.
You're justifying your illogic with more illogic. What you see as a "frantic gang" is simply what happens when one writes something wrong. The more wrong the more attention it draws. And it seems like you're having trouble with the "respond to the comment you just quoted" part of composing messages.
And 2), gun control is something that can have projections and repercussions that start an unlimited array of changes in a once free society.
What does this have to do with the incredible difficulty you have staying on-topic and avoiding free association mode?
I'll comment on the substance now. Here's the rest of your comment:
It has in past societies. Have you noticed, since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v Wade, how in the news media (even the places where you get YOUR news) that the cries are "WHAT'S NEXT? Will abortion be outlawed nationwide? Will gay marriage be outlawed? How many more of our rights will this Supreme Court deny us?" But in the news, when it comes to gun control, there NEVER is question of WHAT'S NEXT? That should be an advantage to a forum like this, to discuss drifts into relevant, side discussions. But no, I guess not.
People are asking what's next about abortion, birth control, consensual sexual relations (gay sex and sodomy) and gay rights because conservative lawmakers are talking about it, as well as Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as expressed in his concurring opinion on Dobbs (Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization - Wikipedia). Gun control supporters feel very fortunate that the recent legislation passed. The likelihood of getting anything more in any practical sense for the foreseeable future seems slim, so no one who isn't delusional is talking about it.
I don't usually watch videos (which I've told you at least several times now), so no, of course I didn't. A quick scan of your posts to this thread reveals a single video about Matthew McConaughey, so I assume that's not the one you mean.
No it's not, your quick scan must have been lightening quick, because it was very plain. It wasn't embedded, but the link was very clear. Message 1057
Are you daft? Of course a scan for your videos can be lightning quick. They're videos. You click on "marc9000 posts only", hit Cmd-- a few times, and all videos just pop off the page. There was just that one.
And you *did* explicitly say you'd posted a video: "What did you think of the vid I showed above..."
If the video you referenced wasn't actually a video but just a link to a webpage with a video you should have said so, in which case I would have replied that I wasn't going to scan through all your posts checking every link to see if it might be to a page with a video. What you were requesting I do was just a tiny bit better than saying, "I posted a relevant link somewhere, go find it." You continue to find new ways to behave rudely.
But there was no need to watch your video. Since I knew the topic it was easy to find articles about it that could be read in much less time than watching the video. If you think the bulldozing of one batch of illegal ATVs, dirt bikes and motorcycles in NYC is representative of a growing and concerning national trend then please explain how?
It very much does feel like there should be much better ways of dealing with these illegal confiscated vehicles, but when you think about it you realize it's not that simple. They can't just be sold at auction to the public - they're illegal. One could designate a department to convert the vehicles to legal, but would that cost be recouped at auction? And wouldn't these once illegal vehicles be easy platforms for conversion back to illegal? Perhaps destruction was the most cost effective and overall effective way of dealing with the problem.
I hope these vehicles weren't seized and destroyed after just a single incident. I hope the destruction of these vehicles was a result of several citations and seizures with no effort to make the vehicles compliant. If not then I'm against the seizure and destruction of these vehicles.
This is a good time to point out the nasty habit you have of repeatedly finding something bad or negative and accusing the people here of advocating it.
And how is this relevant to gun control?
This should be an indicator to you that the 2022 U.S. government isn't a brand new, caring institution that we can blindly entrust all our freedoms to, without worrying the way tyrants in the past have operated. There are videos and instances from the past of government representatives destroying useful property. And that was before climate change was invented.
If that's what you see happening in this country, so far you've been unable to support that with evidence. And again, how is this relevant to gun control? The true goal of those who advocate gun control is reduced firearm injury and death with the accompanying greater freedom from the fear of guns and greater safety in our homes and in public. If there's a better approach than gun control of achieving that goal then this is the right thread for you to talk about it.
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 1086 of 1110 (895491)
07-03-2022 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1082 by marc9000
07-02-2022 9:12 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
You obviously have no idea what open carry means. In the US open carry means the weapon can be loaded. In Switzerland they are unloaded when carried by service members. Quoting this out of context does not help you.
To carry a firearm in public or outdoors (and for a militia member to carry a firearm other than his issued weapons while off-duty), a person must have a gun carrying permit (German: Waffentragbewilligung, French: permis de port d'armes, Italian: permesso di porto di armi; art. 27 WG/LArm), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[7] It is, however, quite common to see a person in military service or a sport shooter to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded. The issue of such exceptional permits are extremely selective (see #Conditions_for_obtaining_a_Carrying_Permit).
So you are still wrong or maybe just a liar.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1087 of 1110 (895495)
07-03-2022 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1086 by Theodoric
07-03-2022 2:05 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
The simplest explanation appears to be that marc9000 is very weak at reading comprehension.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 1088 of 1110 (895496)
07-03-2022 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1087 by nwr
07-03-2022 7:09 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
Only at reading comprehension?

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Theodoric
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Message 1089 of 1110 (895497)
07-03-2022 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1087 by nwr
07-03-2022 7:09 PM


Re: Where are all the good guys with guns?
Liar for Jesus at best, amoral sociopath at worst.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1090 of 1110 (895510)
07-04-2022 3:59 PM


Well Regulated Militia Shoots Up Parade
Part of the "well regulated militia" broke up a parade in Illinois today.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
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Message 1091 of 1110 (895511)
07-04-2022 5:09 PM


Good guys with a vote: step up
Well Americans, if you want this madness to end, you know what to do come November. If after the midterm elections the Democrats do not have an overwhelming majority in Congress, the conclusion can only be that the American people, Democrats included, really want their country to be fucked up.

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Message 1092 of 1110 (895512)
07-04-2022 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1091 by Parasomnium
07-04-2022 5:09 PM


Re: Good guys with a vote: step up
It doesn't fucking matter, they have rigged the elections so only the traitors can win from here on out. I will never stop voting even though I know it's a lost cause

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1093 of 1110 (895516)
07-04-2022 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1076 by AZPaul3
06-28-2022 3:59 PM


Bump for jar
All this gun stuff going on, my favorite gun nut hobbyist certainly has a reaction?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1094 of 1110 (895530)
07-05-2022 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1091 by Parasomnium
07-04-2022 5:09 PM


Re: Good guys with a vote: step up
Parasomnium writes:
Well Americans, if you want this madness to end, you know what to do come November. If after the midterm elections the Democrats do not have an overwhelming majority in Congress, the conclusion can only be that the American people, Democrats included, really want their country to be fucked up.
Whatever happens in November will be a reflection of the majority. Of course in some places the party in the majority has been busy at efforts making voting more difficult for those who threaten their hegemony and to create unrepresentative democracy through gerrymandering, which hardly seems the blame of the minority.
--Percy

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Message 1095 of 1110 (895551)
07-05-2022 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1094 by Percy
07-05-2022 10:27 AM


Re: Good guys with a vote: step up
the Republicans haven't been the Majority Party in actual count since maybe Ronnie Reagan. they have used the Electoral College and gerrymandering and the Filibuster to remain in control.
let's call it what it is: Tyranny Of The Minority!

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 1096 of 1110 (895581)
07-07-2022 2:05 AM


Eric Greitens - Big asshole with a big gun running for US Senate
https://www.joemygod.com/...my-of-patriots-is-coming-for-you
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GOP Senate candidate Eric Greitens, the disgraced ex-governor of Missouri, has released a second campaign ad promoting violence against his political opposition.
Greitens, who has been endorsed by former President Donald Trump, was widely condemned after the release of a spot last month in which he encouraged his supporters to “hunt” Republicans who have broken away from Trump.
“Because I fought for you, they came after me. But we’re back, wiser, stronger, and still fighting. And this time, with an army of patriots,” Greitens says. Three camouflaged individuals emerge from a field behind Greitens, who then destroys a secondary target.
Video available there, if you need such.
An inspiration to gun idiots everywhere.
Moose

  
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