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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: I notice that you don’t actually bother to support your assertion. Or even to dispute the other examples I mentioned. What has a neo-Nazi coming from Finland in 1993 have to do with the Russian invasion years before he was born ? Oh right, it’s just a distraction because you have nothing. It doesn’t matter how nasty and dishonest you are. I won’t submit to you any more than I did to any of the other lying bigots who came through here,
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Perhaps LNA is a troll. He certainly doesnt want to talk with me, and I have no idea why. Perhaps he is just testing our biases and prejudices in order to confirm his own racism.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: LNA would have to actually point out things equally bad that NATO had done. Crushing freedom to maintain an oppressive hegemony is pretty bad. NATO actions in Libya and Kosovo for instance don’t go that far. And in Kosovo at least NATO really were helping an oppressed minority. And LNA seems to be a white person who thinks he can enlist people of colour in his fascist crusade just by decreeing it. He really is appallingly racist.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: There was plenty of opposition to the Iraq war. I wasn’t exactly a fan of it. Even so it’s still not as bad as the invasion of Ukraine. I didn’t like the American invasion of Grenada either - which is a closer parallel, but still not quite as bad. So where’s the double standard?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Getting back to the Ukrainian war, I seek most of my information on it from the BBC and Al Jazeera.
I like Al Jazeera because it is a more balanced view than I get here. In fact, one opinion piece sounded a bit like LNA!
Covering Ukraine: A mean streak of racist exceptionalism Edited by Phat, : No reason given."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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But it’s not very much like what LNA is saying. There’s no attempt to justify the Russian invasion, just the point that white Ukrainian refugees are getting better treatment than - for instance - Arab refugees.
Which is an entirely valid point. Unlike LNAs. (The British government is being less welcoming than most of Europe - because British racism also targets Eastern Europeans - one of the things behind Brexit).
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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I want to point out to LNA that the world vote to condemn Putin and Russia and their barbaric action in Ukraine was 141 of 193 nations voting to condemn.
141 of 193 nations voted to condemn Putin. Czar Putin the Condemned is now pariah to this world. I want to make sure he understands what the rest of the world thinks of his beloved Czar. And then watch as republicans and the american right squirm and dance to justify their love affair with an enemy sworn to destroy us. What a loyal opposition your republican right turns out to be. First insurrectionist then seditionist. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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And don't for get LNA is still pissed about the Maple Syrup War between Libya and Canada.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
There was a Treaty of Tartu signed in 1920 between Finland and Russia.
There were uprisings in Karelia, which was a western region of Russia, since the 1700s. It had mostly ethnic Finns, as a population demographic. Finland was invading Russia, during World War 1, expecting a victorious Germany to help them take Karelia. It did not work out and Red Russia offered the Treaty of Tartu, defining borders, and requiring Finland to agree to stop trying to take Karelia. 1920 ratification. But Finland pulled a stunt. In Finland, the 1921-1922 Finnish-Soviet Uprisings are called the East Karelian Uprisings. Finland allowed members of its military to cross the border to Russian sovereign territories in Karelia. Finland allowed anybody to cross and join rebels. Finland is recognized, by historically confirmed policy, to have sent "humanitarian aid" to help the war effort. The Finnish government. Once the rebellion was defeated, in 1922, a new treaty was signed. Then, in the 1930s, Nazi Germany & Russia fought - through proxies- endless civil wars, before the shocking treaty between Hitler & Stalin. But Finnish designs to invade Russia & establish a Greater Finland were alive & well, and Finns looked forward to the inevitable war between Germany and Russia. Finns were ready to use Germany to take East Karelia. Stalin knew it. So provide the context, PaulK. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Does anybody doubt that?
Honestly, AzPaul would love for the Tsars to be in power. Who can deny that?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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I dispute that!
Why he recently told me that he wants the Mongol Empire back in charge of Russia. So that proves you are wrong again.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Honestly, AzPaul would love for the Tsars to be in power. Who can deny that? Me. There already is one in Moscow. The USofA nearly escaped one a few years ago. I detest both. You're the one who loves both. Seditionist.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
You also told us that Republicans loved Putin.
The evidence showed you were a flat out liar. You were proven wrong, but kept on telling the same lies.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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The Republicans do love Putin. All 70 million of Trump's Moron Cult, like you, think Putin shits chocolate syrup.
You have never proven anything.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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You were proven wrong, but kept on telling the same lies. And I'm gonna say it again. With evidence just like before. GOP torn as Marjorie Taylor Greene speaks to far right amid ‘Putin!’ chants You Nazi reich-wingnut strongman wannabees just love you some mean nasty bloody anti-American Putin. Tzar Vladimir the Condemned, just like you, is such a fan of the American ideal. And to make an oft needed point, 141 of 193 nations voted to condemn Putin. Putin was officially condemned by the whole world. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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