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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Thanks for sharing your beliefs.
Now, on the issue of medical science if objective evidence exists, then scientists on both sides of the vaccination issues disagree about that evidence. It has been a matter of opinion. Let's look at science regarding vaccines (although one side claims the covid vaccines are not actually vaccines) "The creation of a vaccine involves scientists and medical experts from around the world, and it usually requires 10 to 15 years of research before the vaccine is made available to the general public. The first step of this extensive process involves several years of laboratory research, in which scientists and researchers identify an antigen that can prevent a disease. Once the test vaccine has been cleared for further investigation by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, at least three more phases of thorough clinical trials are conducted on human volunteers to test vaccine efficacy, to determine appropriate dosage, and to monitor for adverse side effects, etc. These trials usually take several more years to complete. The last phase involves a test group of up to tens of thousands of human volunteers. Unsure if this is a large enough test group? Consider this -– medicines in the United States also go through incredible scrutiny, but their test subject sample sizes are three times smaller than vaccine test subject groups. But that's not the end of it: Once approved, the FDA continues to closely monitor the vaccine . It tests everything from batches of the vaccine to the production process and the facilities for safety. The FDA also conducts b Numerous agencies also work together on a global level to track, collect and analyze data, to make sure these vaccines are, and remain, safe for the general population" The Science Behind Vaccine Research and Testing It is no wonder then, that one side says what we see going on is not science. Even in respected science journals we see things that are more belief and opinion than objective. " The authors suggest that Earth’s 1°C temperature rise over the past two centuries could largely be explained by the distance between Earth and the sun changing over time as the sun orbits around our solar system’s barycentre, its centre of mass. The phenomenon would see temperatures rise a further 3°C by 2600, they say. ..“The claim that we will see warming in the coming centuries because the sun will move closer to the Earth as it moves around the solar system barycentre is very simply wrong,” adds Rice. He is urging the journal to withdraw the paper" Journal criticised for study claiming sun is causing global warming | New Scientist
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
The part about several years comes to mind
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Guess we can add them to the list of places that cannot be relied on for credible...anything.
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
So now you believe that you can dismiss usual test times. Then we consider that science?
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Give us the scientific method that says experiment on kids and others with any sort of shortcuts you want to take?
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
The drug companies testing them have been in court cases for lying. Is that science? I think we need more than the word of known killers and liars to call something science?
Now if the actions taken were based on good science would they not work?"TUCSON, Ariz., March 16, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- The U.S. response to the COVID-19 pandemic has failed at every level, resulting in hundreds of thousands of needless deaths, according to an article in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. " U.S. Pandemic Response Disastrous, according to the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Do we know that it will go one for decades? The latest variant apparently is far less severe.
In fact it is being recommended that travel restrictions against the unvaccinated be removed! "The World Health Organisation (WHO) on Wednesday said vaccination status should not be used to disqualify people from travelling internationally and governments should only use vaccine mandates as a “last resort”. COVID vaccines: WHO says vaccine mandates should be last resort amid Djokovic row
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Trust the drug companies for honest results? That is hard to do when we are dealing with known liars. Didn't the lead Dr in the US get accused of lying under oath?
So why would anyone believe the so called reasons they give for having to change their story? New docs show Dr. Fauci has been keeping us from the truth on COVID New docs show Dr. Fauci has been keeping us from the truth on COVID They say whatever seems convenient for that side of their mouth that day apparently.Trump Slammed the W.H.O. Over Coronavirus. He’s Not Alone. (Published 2020) Opinion | World Health Coronavirus Disinformation Italy prosecutors: WHO exec lied about spiked virus report An infamous WHO tweet saying there was 'no clear evidence' COVID-19 could spread between humans was posted for 'balance' to reflect findings from China Then there is the matter of WHO making false statements to achieve a goal of theirs. example:The WHO’s decision to adopt the generic identifier ‘ swine flu’ was arguably a noble one, intended to avoid damage to the Mexican economy. It did, however, result in a raft of unintended consequences that rapidly revealed the decision was a mistake. Indeed, within weeks of the descriptor being applied, approximately 20 per cent of the WHO’s member states implemented a series of measures that exceeded, and thereby contravened, international norms (Davies et al. 2015). In late April 2009, for example, the Egyptian government ordered the mass culling of all pigs throughout the country (estimated to be between 250,000 and 400,000 animals) as a ‘preventative measure’, despite the fact that no human cases of H1N1 had been recorded in Egypt nor any reported outbreaks of H1N1 had occurred in pigs worldwide (Katz and Fischer 2010). Within days, the Iraqi government followed Egypt’s lead and ordered the culling of three boars in a Baghdad zoo (Karadesh 2009). Added to this, some 20 other countries including Russia, the Philippines, Indonesia, Bahrain and China imposed trade import bans on all live pigs, pork and pork products, citing concerns over the risk that H1N1 may be introduced into their respective human populations (Lynn 2009; WTO 2009; Katz and Fischer 2010)." What Went Wrong? The World Health Organization from Swine Flu to Ebola The WHO is involved with killing babies. So basically they are mass murderers. Thinking they might also lie is no great surprise! I notice it was Fauci who announced the US was back in the gung ho baby slaughter business.Fauci: US to repeal anti-abortion rule on aid and join Covax vaccine scheme | Biden administration | The Guardian Is it any wonder that those lying murderers are not believed by many people? Edited by drlove, : No reason given.Edited by drlove, : No reason given. Edited by drlove, : No reason given. Edited by drlove, : No reason given.
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Can you show that all death and adverse effects of vaccines are properly attributed and reported? I do not think you can. If someone dies from a heart attack or has some neurological condition is this all deemed a result of the vaccines? No.
Who tests the vaccine? Ha " Pfizer and BioNTech leveraged decades of scientific expertise to design and execute a rigorous Phase 3 clinical trial program to make the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine available as quickly and safely as possible. Today, we are continuing to evaluate data from this landmark trial" Coronavirus COVID-19 Vaccine Update: Latest Developments | Pfizer So here are the people we are supposed to trust! "Pfizer has faced thousands of lawsuits filed for medical injuries caused by some of its most popular drugs. It has also set a record for the largest fine paid for a health care fraud lawsuit filed by the U.S. Department of Justice. Pfizer paid $2.3 billion in fines, penalties, and settlement for illegal marketing claims." Pfizer - History of Pfizer, Products & Legal Claims Not trusting them is 'not science'? Edited by drlove, : No reason given.
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
The ten year thing? Also, the thing where a drug company with thousands of legal cases against them is in charge of the testing? That is your idea of science?
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
No more than Hitler had his house in order.
Below are a few of the doctors saying that lockdowns are the wrong way to go." Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USADr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, EnglandDr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, GermanyDr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, EnglandDr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, GermanyDr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, ScotlandDr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, EnglandDr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, EnglandDr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, EnglandDr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA.Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, IndiaDr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USADr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USATom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England"Great Barrington Declaration They join 916,000 others in that opinion, and that is just one site! Let's not pretend science says we need lockdowns. Edited by drlove, : No reason given.
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Can you show how the blind aspect of the test was done? To have a group monitored that was unvaccinated as compared to a vaccinated group, can you guarantee all that group never got vaccinated? If they or some of them did, then well, you know.
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
That is no excuse for allowing convicted frauds to do the testing for drugs they will make untold billions on! Then we see some results are trying to be hidden for many many decades!!! They also demanded protection against death and injury responsibility! This is science?
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
So you think their big crime is not swallowing the climate change agenda whole? Therefore we cannot believe the doctors, virologists, medical professionals and etc who state their true opinions? Not sure what sort of nazi nightmare you are confusing with science.
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drlove Member (Idle past 820 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
The lockdowns and covid related agenda has resulted is a loss of freedom and employment and travel. Much of this was based on lying about science and other things. If you think that is 'godwin' that is fine. That sounds like blather to me.
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