Belief Versus The Scientific Method

Your study was from the summer of 2021. We also know that the vaccines drop in effectiveness over a fairly short time! The issue for many people who choose not to partake in the great experimental agenda is often not that they doubt a vaccine would in the short term be quite effective! So that is a strawman. The issues are a lack of trust in the Dr Mengelas of the world who are trying to shove it on all people including little children! The issue is that they would rather hope for natural immunity, and have concerns over effects of the vaccine such as on the reproductive system and etc etc. The concerns are the plethora of young atheletes dropping dead or having heart attacks mid game after having been vaccinated. They also may note that there are endless booster shots being mandated and prepared, so that we know they basically don't really do much good. I think the Dr in charge in the US even said the name was changing from fully vaxxed, to something like currently up to date on vaxxes!There are many aspects to the science, and there are people of science on both sides of the issue. You don't get to wave them all away and declare only those with your belief as 'true'.

Who says the admitted over one million by the CDC with reactions and the over 21,000 dead as a doornail are insignificant? As mentioned many claim the stats are at LEAST 5 times higher, and probably even much much much higher than that. Going with an estimate that the actual stats are even just 5 times higer, that means over 5 million adverse effects, and well over 100,000 deaths. That is very significant.Here I see the former HEAD of a vax taskfoorce say the whole thing is basically a joke"mass vaccinations of the population in the UK must stop.”Former UK Vax Taskforce Chief Says Mass Vaccination ‘Pointless’, Time to Stop Counting Case Numbers
WATCH: Vax Taskforce Chief Says Mass Vaccination 'Pointless', Time to Stop Counting Case Numbers.Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

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Appeal to blind faith in 'science' and to disregard thousands of qualified people from science as wrong for no real reason and without looking at the facts. Got it.

There does seem to be data suggesting that vaccines are not the only wayVAXXINES - THE AMISH COVID FULL MEASURE WITH SHARYL ATTKISSON
Vaxxines - The Amish Covid Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson

The reasoned argument is that in the example of medical science, there are different opinions and beliefs on some issues. That tells us that belief is involved, whatever side of the coin you may prefer.

How about in the US where they want it mandated? The Dr in charge says he represents science. He advocates for vaccines up the wazoo. They even want to stick it to children. Are you saying science is not with him? Or that it is? Or..?

If he can speak for himself maybe we will see.

Yet a quick search found this.
"Most blue surgical face masks used by many during the pandemic are not enough to avoid people from being infected with COVID-19, a Canadian study found. Even modest ventilation rates were found to provide about the same level of protection as the highest quality masks, the lead author noted.The study from the University of Waterloo in Canada "Most blue surgical masks ineffective against COVID-19 — Canada study - Juta MedicalBriefWhy would we take your word that you looked at the 150 studies? Or that masks (dirty or not, overused or not) work well?As I said, the science is not just one sided. It is a matter of belief.
example:"Majority of COVID ICU Admissions are Fully Vaccinated"Ontario: Majority of COVID ICU Admissions are Fully VaccinatedSo if a majority of both sick and ICU patients are vaccinated fully, how does that equate to science saying that the vaccines are the way the truth and the light?

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But in this battle of links where you think all are equal, do we win if we can give you more than you can give us? You do accept that the overwhelming scientific consensus is in favour of vaccination?

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I just showed a source that showed that vaccinated people are the majority sick and in ICU!There is no battle of links because all we needed to establish was that science is not clear on the major aspects of the covid agenda. That is not really debatable. Having voluminous sources and professionals and studies on both sides proves it is a matter of interpretation only.

ALL the data does nothing remotely similar to what you claim, as the last post I did here shows. The majority were vaccinated who were in ICU and sick! Why say things that are blatantly transparently false?

Why debate the minutia rather than stick to the main principle here? The issue is that there are people, a whole lot of people and a lot of studies and etc that are on different sides of the matter. Both claim science. Both have stats and studies. So no one can say that science works here. Belief and interpretation are what is working.On the issue of the vaxxed getting sick, here is a different link"We already know vaccine protection against earlier variants of Sars-Cov-2 falls sharply within months of the second dose, as the vaccine-generated antibodies fade.But the new data go a step further, showing that previously vaccinated people are actually more likely to contract Omicron"Has Covid vaccine efficacy turned negative?

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I bet that if you tried again you could find one - or a few thousand - that did the opposite

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My point, exactly. So either science is useless and can mean whatever we like, or it is subject to belief and interpretation.

Am I the one shouting that you should be forced to go against your choice here? No. Most people I know are vaccinated.

If you are saying that true people of science are not fanatics on one side of the issue, I would agree. However, both sides claim science.

There we go. Clear as a bell. You suggest one side is the anti science side. Sad.

Since proper stats are not kept who has proof either way? Have you proof people are not dying from the vax? Did I not link a CDC based stat? I am not going to argue over how many more than the 100,000 actually had adverse effects here. It is a matter of belief only! You have no real stats on the matter since they are not kept. All the athletes dropping dead for example, did you think they are listed as vaccine deaths!?1354 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 922 of Them Dead, Since COVID Injection - Real Science!Edited by drlove, : No reason given.