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Juvenissun
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Message 2200 of 2370 (881421)
08-23-2020 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2194 by DrJones*
08-23-2020 11:52 AM


Re: Time scales
Why?

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Juvenissun
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Message 2201 of 2370 (881422)
08-23-2020 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 2195 by Coragyps
08-23-2020 3:10 PM


Re: Time scales
You won't agree with me anyway. Why bother?
Show your sincerity in the discussion.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2202 of 2370 (881423)
08-23-2020 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2196 by dwise1
08-23-2020 3:58 PM


Re: Time scales
What are sample ages that you want to be able to solve for?
What are sample "decreased longevity" ages that have since arisen?
Over how long a period of time was this change supposed to have taken place? Actual start and stop dates would be an added plus.
1. From Adams age to the age of Abraham, roughly 900 to 200.
2. Do you see the decrease of age in the above?
3. That is a good question. We do not know. But we can certainly try some time periods to examine the model.
The rest of what you said is real junky. Sad.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2218 of 2370 (881462)
08-24-2020 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2203 by Coragyps
08-23-2020 8:29 PM


Re: Time scales
tart, perhaps, with a fifty-kilometer diameter rocky asteroid coming within 500 km of the Earth’s surface, and tell me how much it shifts our orbit.
I don't know the equations for the calculation. But I do believe the fly-by will have some effect to the orbit of the earth. A few years ago, even the earthquake which caused tsunami in Indian Ocean affect the orbit.
I would assume an asteroid of the moon size, fly-by the earth 50 km above the earth. I guess the method of calculation should be the same.
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Juvenissun
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Message 2219 of 2370 (881464)
08-24-2020 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2217 by Taq
08-24-2020 4:58 PM


Re: Time scales
Sorry, no answer to your question.
Both Noah and the Flood do not exist.
That is fine.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2220 of 2370 (881465)
08-24-2020 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2216 by dwise1
08-24-2020 2:00 PM


Re: Time scales
how much shorter the year would have to have been for you to get the "extra longevity" ages that you require
Assume Adam can live 120 years, which is the same as a normal person could today (happy with this assumption?). That is 120 circles around the sun. In the same period of time, the earth at Adam's time made 950 circles. Could you figure out how faster (than today) should the earth circulate at Adam's time?
I guess this would be a good math question for school kids.
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Juvenissun
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Message 2221 of 2370 (881467)
08-24-2020 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2215 by dwise1
08-24-2020 1:12 PM


Re: Time scales
Sorry, nice story. But it is irrelevant to the longevity issue.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2224 of 2370 (881470)
08-24-2020 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 2206 by Pollux
08-24-2020 12:21 AM


Re: Time scales
Studies in ancient corals that show daily growth lines with an annual variation in thickness, show 420 days per year in the Silurian, 410 in Devonian, consistent with gradual slowing from tidal effects from the moon, and with both our state now and with current physics.
So, the earth spin faster 400 m.y. ago. Could we say the earth at that time also has shorter year? I am not sure where was the moon in Silurian time. But what would be the situation in Precambrian time? How would this info related to the length of a year?

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Juvenissun
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Message 2225 of 2370 (881471)
08-24-2020 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2223 by dwise1
08-24-2020 5:24 PM


Re: Time scales
OK, my mistake. It affected the self rotation, but not the orbit.
Thanks. Forget this argument.

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Message 2227 of 2370 (881473)
08-24-2020 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 2222 by jar
08-24-2020 5:21 PM


Re: Time scales
Hey, jar, this is the science forum, and the topic is the global flood.
According to you, the Flood never exist. Are you saying all people who made thousands of posts to argue about the Flood are utterly stupid?

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Juvenissun
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Message 2228 of 2370 (881474)
08-24-2020 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 2207 by PaulK
08-24-2020 12:30 AM


Re: Science By Definition
If so, don't talk about the age of Noah. That is perfectly fine with me.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2229 of 2370 (881475)
08-24-2020 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2211 by ringo
08-24-2020 9:31 AM


Re: Time scales
That's really stupid. How would you react if I said I would prove God doesn't exist only after you agree?
I would eagerly agree and say: please do that.
Then the ball is in your field. Understand?

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Juvenissun
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Message 2230 of 2370 (881476)
08-24-2020 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 2214 by Coragyps
08-24-2020 1:04 PM


Re: I
It sure is a good thing that I am retired and quarantined. I waste
nearly all my time anyway, and threads like this one make it easier! Thanks, Juve!
You are very welcome.
I guess that is one of the major purpose for me to talk in here. Wasteful on time or not is another deep question.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2236 of 2370 (881491)
08-24-2020 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2231 by dwise1
08-24-2020 6:13 PM


Re: Time scales
But then three minutes later in Message 2225 you state that you realize that changes in the earth's spin would not affect the length of the year.
See, here is the trick I can easily catch.
I did not say that.
What I said is toward "that particular case". And even that, it is because nobody reported the orbit change after that incident. However, because nobody measured it, we are not sure that nothing about the orbit was changed.

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Juvenissun
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Message 2238 of 2370 (881494)
08-24-2020 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 2235 by dwise1
08-24-2020 7:30 PM


Re: Time scales
The question is:
how much shorter the year would have to have been for you to get the "extra longevity" ages that you require?
It is a question asked for TIME. The format should be
T(old) = f T (now)
And your calculation gives an answer of distance.
a-old = 0.25 a-earth
Appreciate your effort. But do you see where went wrong?

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