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vimesey Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
I read through the link with amusement, and right at the end comes the sting:
With a donation of $65 or more, 50 Jewish families will receive their personal copy of the Jewish Scriptures in the mail. To donate or learn more about the ministry, log onto [I’ve deleted the references, in an effort to protect the deluded] I also notice that they use the words likely to and estimate, so that they can gouge some more money out of the rubes in the future, (a suitable period of time after the current prediction fails to materialise).Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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I'm too busy to grace the site with my own eyeballs but does he give any specifics? I've missed the last dozen or so raptures and I want to make sure to catch this one 'cuz I'm not getting any younger and haven't got all that much time left.
Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
If you think I'm reading that drivel again, you're out of you mind...but we'll know in 18 months. I wonder if he'll take a bet?...
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Oh snap. You mean this:
World Bible Society President Says 'Rapture' Likely to Occur by 2021 though I notice that the article was written in 2012. quote: For the record,, I believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, came to earth to die for us if necessary (and it was) was raised from the dead and exists eternally as a testimony to the truth and purpose of God. Do I believe that the Bible is perfectly authentic and without error?Well..I believe that Jesus is the living Word. I believe that some of the Bible is metaphorical but that this does not make it any less true. I believe that though humans authored the Bible, it was inspired to them by God through Jesus Christ. Keep in mind that we all live in the same world. concepts such as Heaven, Living Christ, Spiritual Warfare, and Raptures are quite serious beliefs and DO require serious evidence. I was blessed to have gotten saved and met God. I was also blessed to have experienced the supernatural manifestations of spiritual warfare. Granted only once so far, though I witnessed more and am challenging myself through meeting Pastors who have encountered such activity more than I have. You might argue that I need to hang around people like you more often so as to balance my fevered brain, but I am following my heart and my intuitive belief. You guys would likely unconsciously try and kill my faith.The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: I know I wouldn't. If you think I'm reading that drivel again, you're out of you mind...but we'll know in 18 months. I wonder if he'll take a bet?... I am careeful when people set dates. God is quite capable of changing them. Your next questions should be these:
The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: For the record,, I believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, came to earth to die for us if necessary (and it was) was raised from the dead and exists eternally as a testimony to the truth and purpose of God. Do I believe that the Bible is perfectly authentic and without error?Well..I believe that Jesus is the living Word. I believe that some of the Bible is metaphorical but that this does not make it any less true. I believe that though humans authored the Bible, it was inspired to them by God through Jesus Christ. Who are you trying to convince? Me or you? And what has any of that blather got to do with anything I said?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat writes: I am careeful when people set dates. So you should be; it's factual, the rubbish ideas can be shown to be rubbish. And always do.
God is quite capable of changing them. That's priceless.
Your next questions should be these: If God exists, why try and fool us?If God exists and wants me(Tangle) to know, why not simply show me? Well they'd be a couple of the less interesting ones. But as you're not going to answer them any better than you answer any of the rest are you? It's all I believe, I believe bullshit now and running back to wacky pastors for reinforcement.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Who are you trying to convince? Me or you? And what has any of that blather got to do with anything I said? You mentioned taking a bet. Bets are based on chance. My belief does not incorporate chance into the equation at all. The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: You mentioned taking a bet. Bets are based on chance. My belief does not incorporate chance into the equation at all. It was yet another "I believe, I believe" sermon. Save it for your churchJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Save it for your church I believe in freedom of speech. One can always change the channel, respond only to posts that they choose, or ignore the media. One of these days, the secular humanist ideologues will attempt to shut down preaching because they will claim it can cause harm to rationally minded thinking. As if they have any sort of monopoly on that! So now...what are we ever going to argue about, Tangle? Any ideas?The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
thats a good observation. I know jar hates this bumper sticker, but I will repeat it just to annoy him:
Not Perfect..Just Forgiven These Christian apologists shoot themselves in the foot by showing their motives. The question is whether making money or sharing the truth is their primary motivation. Scripture also tells us to Test The spirits. And you will find that it is wissee to test those whom agree with you as well as your opponents.One apologist has evolved their thinking and i'm proud of him for doing so. He maintains that the burden of proof is not simply on the one making the claim---the burden of proof is on both sides. (or should be) And I agree with that. You cant simply wait for evidence and logic to speak for themselves...they are but words. It is important for you to examine your worldview and test it as if you were opposed to it.The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Phat writes: I believe in freedom of speech. One can always change the channel, respond only to posts that they choose, or ignore the media. One of these days, the secular humanist ideologues will attempt to shut down preaching because they will claim it can cause harm to rationally minded thinking. As if they have any sort of monopoly on that! This is supposed to be debate, if all you're going to do is tell us over and over what you believe - like it matters what you believe or as if we didn't already know - it's not a debate it's a sermon.
So now...what are we ever going to argue about, Tangle? Any ideas? No, none. It's hopeless, you're not interested in rational discussion - you can't do it. You've had what you think is a personal revelation from god so nothing else matters, not even what the bible actual says. This is just pointless.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
This is a privately-owned website. Freedom of speech doesn't apply here.
I believe in freedom of speech. Phat writes:
I'm not an ideologue, nor do I know of anybody who is a "secular humanist ideologue". Ideologies are for lazy thinkers. One of these days, the secular humanist ideologues... On the other hand, many believers are ideologues.
Phat writes:
The rules of the site prohibit preaching. I, for one, wish you would answer your posts thoughtfully instead of just parroting your ideology.
... will attempt to shut down preaching ... Phat writes:
I don't know of anybody who thinks that. Rational thinking can only be harmed if you teach children to think ideologically instead of rationally.
... because they will claim it can cause harm to rationally minded thinking. Phat writes:
Feel free to demonstrate some rational thinking. As if they have any sort of monopoly on that!"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So why don't you do that? It is important for you to examine your worldview and test it as if you were opposed to it."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: To me, it would be a sad sobering day if what you guys said were true and that GOD were simply an abstract unproved possibility and that the charge remained defined by humans for humans with no promises of any reward in having fed, clothed, loved, encouraged and supported other humans with no supernatural Father figure ready to hand out rewards to me and my fellow believers for having run the race so well.To even consider it as true in any way threatens my assurance that I unerringly believe. I will not doubt!! They are, but why should I even bother putting up this argument. You dont want the God that I market even if He were real. (and of course He is. He is alive) And I need Him. It frustrates me to no end that you would support a God Who allows people to remain unchanged and allowed to keep their own personality and lifestyle choices. Heaven is not all inclusive. If it were, God and I would have some issues. I would dare scold Him for being so liberal and tolerant. Heck, may as well allow Satan Himself back in! It is important for you to examine your worldview and test it as if you were opposed to it.
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