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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined:
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jar writes: ...as have so many other of the British Colonies. I don't know what you're talking about. She's just a figurehead!Wait... she's just a figurehead for the UK, too... I don't know what's real anymore!!! Edited by Stile, : grammer nazi-ing myself
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Guys, leave us alone, this is private grief.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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But is it a "Good Grief"?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
How'd it get demoted from Major Grief?
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Just Leaving the channel Islands, the isle of Man and Gibraltar to fend for themselves?
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined:
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Ireland could even secede from the UK and retain connection to the Monarchy as have so many other of the British Colonies.
Ireland fought hard for, and won, independance in 1922 Edited by Heathen, : No reason given. Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Part of the campaign against the referendum for Scottish Independence was the promise that England would remain in the EU. That promise has been broken, so what do you Saxons have to say for yourselves now?
Look for another referendum coming up very soon.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Jonathan Pie nails it again
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie? |
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1312 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
So It Seems we are in the middle of one almighty game of "chicken"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49240809 Boris Appears to be doubling down on his demands for renegotiation with voices suggesting that even with the removal of the backstop his cabinet are now set for No-deal as the default. Meanwhile, in reaction to this new trajectory, the EU is stating that there is no basis for new talks. (as has been their postion since the negotiation of the withdrawal agreement). Boris once denounced the talk of food and medicine shortages in the case of a no deal as "Project Fear", but has now released 2.1bn to no deal planning in order to prevent such shortages. So it seems that even he has admitted that "Project Fear" was "Project Truth". So he blusters on hoping that the EU will give way. Something which they are unlikely to do. I can't help but harbour the feeling that part of the plan is (in the knowledge that there is no "good" brexit scenario) to take such an extreme, indefensible position so that parliament will be forced to shut him down, thus forcing a second referendum.thereby, avoiding disaster and Saving face by being able to blame the U-turn on Parliament. Of course the other outcome could be a general election in which I expect a Tory/Brexit party coalition. As it is, I cannot remember a time when a party in power could have been so inept, such a complete disaster with an opposition party so completely unable to capitalise on it. Corbyn has shown himself to be utterly useless and the Labour party is all but dead.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
The most important detail that your implausible scenario overlooks is the danger of a hard border between England and Scotland. This is also ignored by all those banging on endlessly about another Scottish independence referendum. Freedom of movement with England is more important to most Scots than freedom of movement to France or Poland, and this is the main reason why independence is less likely post-Brexit, not more; regardless of collective delusions to the contrary.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
This 30 year old 2 minute clip from "Yes Minister" comedy series
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Look at this problem
The Unite to Remain alliance will have a mountain to climb to prevent a Conservative victory at the next general election – Slugger O'Toole
quote: The article goes on to look at the coming alliance between the Liberal Dems, Plaid Cymru, and Green parties. There does not see to be an efficient distribution. Even with the electoral pact. The math looks bad, unless the alliance exceeds expectations.
quote: The article offers a scenario that is more unlikely than not. Here is another long article from site. It references, and quotes, the recent long Gordon Brown article. Don’t underestimate him. Boris Johnson is making a powerful appeal by defying party traditions, but at the expense of the Union – Slugger O'Toole
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
Interesting.
I wonder if this will affect Corbyn's current plan to call for a vote of no confidence in the current government. If it succeeds, then I believe a general election has to be called. Unless Boris can find a way to form a new government. But it appears from the polls that a general election would actually have an even more favorable outcome for his party. Which would essentially increase the likelihood of Brexit occurring. I don't know how feasible it is for a general election to be viable prior to the October 31st Brexit deadline. Seems time is too short and Boris has indicated he won't ask for an extension. Not sure if Parliament can then take over and broker dialog with the EU asking for an extension. And there is no guarantee that the EU would even grant it. Interesting times are ahead.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
quote: Parliament suspension: Queen approves PM's plan - BBC News Not a total surprise, since Johnson hinted at this. But how likely would it be that the Queen would agree to do so, especially on such a divisive issue? The royals have been pretty silent on Brexit, so my guess is they would prefer to just stay out of it.
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I'm probably walking out on a pretty thin branch commenting on British politics, but aren't requests like this to the monarch just a formality, always rubber stamped?
--Percy
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