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Peter
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Message 45 of 57 (82487)
02-03-2004 4:09 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by sidelined
01-31-2004 1:47 AM


That assumes technologies like ours ... maybe there
are other ways to travel than simple thrust ...

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Peter
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Message 46 of 57 (82488)
02-03-2004 4:13 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Itachi Uchiha
01-30-2004 11:57 PM


Plain logic doesn't help, since in your post you place unstated
assumptions that cannot be validated.
quote:
if this is true and it happened millions of years ago Id have to ask what kind of technology did they use to get here? I mean i wont believe that they floated off to earth. I guess NASA can benefit from this information.
If the universe is 13 billion years old, what is the logic
that would allow one to claim that no intelligent life
has existed in the distant past (a few million years is peanuts
in the history of the universe).
quote:
Secondly, if they came from some where else they would of have died because their system(anatomy) wouldnt survive the conditions in this earth just as we wouldnt survive the conditions in any other planet or star in the universe. I guess plain logic reasoning makes that theory all wrong
If I were leaving earth to live somewhere else I would make
damn sure that the environment I was going to was one that
I could live in ... or change to suit me.
Not saying that we came from anywhere other than Earth, only
that your counter argument isn't valid.

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Peter
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Message 47 of 57 (82490)
02-03-2004 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by sidelined
01-31-2004 10:27 PM


If the golden calf existed at all who says it was olid gold?
More likely, given the conditions on the Exodus, it would
have been a wooden frame covered in gold leaf/plate.
..and if they could melt the gold to make the calf in the
first place they must have had pretty good fires going.

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Peter
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Message 48 of 57 (82491)
02-03-2004 4:43 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Abshalom
01-31-2004 10:39 AM


Re: The Aliens Did It
Not to say that I am a believer in the whole
Dogon thing, but the criticisms levelled don't add up.
1) The French anthropologist claimed to have got in tight
with the priests, and they told him their secrets. There is
no sugesstion that this was common knowledge amongst the Dogon
or that they would tell just anyone (like investigators who
came later).
2) 60 Year festivals don't match the 50 year orbit, but do
match a 50 year orbit + 10 year journey time (Sirius is
approx 8.7 light years away).
3) In the Dogon story, we know nothing about the extra-terrestrials
other than that they are amphibious, and so NOT much like us.
IF they existed they may be based on a very different life
principle.
I'm not saying I beleive, just that the criticisms don't really
cover the ground well.
I admit I find it hard to accept that we are the only
intelligent life in such a vast universe, and have no objection
to the idea that, compared to others, we might be frickin' retards

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Peter
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Message 49 of 57 (82492)
02-03-2004 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Itachi Uchiha
02-02-2004 5:09 PM


I've looked for extra-biblical corroboration of Exodus
before -- I can't find anything.

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Peter
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Message 50 of 57 (82494)
02-03-2004 5:00 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Itachi Uchiha
02-02-2004 5:35 PM


I think getting 600,000 people across a 7 km reef
in four hours is a stretch.
Even at twenty people across with .5m for each person
the line would be 15km long.
How wide IS this reef, and what is the surface like?
At 1.75 Kph one person could do 7km in four hours, but
since the line could be 15km, they would have to make 3.5
kph each ... carrying all their posessions and children
and old folk.
...and it's still not an Egyptian account of the event.

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Peter
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Message 52 of 57 (82520)
02-03-2004 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Brian
02-03-2004 6:26 AM


Re: 600 000: try 2-3 million!
Just responding to the posted data (and data at the URL
cited) to point out that the analysis provided doesn't
seem quite correct.
The URL suggested that 600,000 people could cross a
7km reef in 4 hours.

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Peter
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Message 55 of 57 (82961)
02-04-2004 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by PaulK
02-03-2004 9:52 AM


Re: The Aliens Did It
That's not what I meant.
Suppose the story is correct, and the Dogon were receiving
regular visits from these amphibious bods.
I was thinking more in terms of 'We will be back in 60 years.'
...but that still doesn't make sense so I'll retract that
as an objection.

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