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Author Topic:   So-Called "Persecution Against Christians":
Tangle
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Message 33 of 115 (796375)
12-29-2016 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by New Cat's Eye
12-29-2016 10:56 AM


Cat's Eye writes:
And if you're a random atheist reading this thinking: "Fuck 'em, they're wrong and we're right and the law is the appropriate method.", as a theist I say to you: Congratulations, you are beating up a toddler.
I'm a random atheist and if you're making the analogy of evangelicals being children, you need to take it further and understand that children are often wrong and need to be shown what's right. Children soon work out how to behave when the rules are spelled out fairly and are applied consistently. Left to their own devices children would eat chocolate for every meal and steal lego.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 43 of 115 (796396)
12-29-2016 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by New Cat's Eye
12-29-2016 12:30 PM


CS writes:
Sure, but there is also such a thing as child abuse. And the end doesn't justify the means.
Come off it, insisting that children treat each other fairly is not child abuse. More likely it's NOT doing that that's abuse.
These are actually adults, but you know how children behave when they get angry. I fear the evangelicals caving in and lashing out later.
Let them. They need to behave themselves. They don't get special dispensation to treat others badly. Wrong, wrong message.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 65 of 115 (796439)
12-30-2016 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
12-30-2016 3:12 AM


Faith writes:
There is no reason to keep arguing this. You've all decided Christians may not hold the opinions we hold, we're today's Jews, so you will punish us for your opinion no matter what.
You know this is not true, so why do you continue to say it? You know you can hold the most disgusting opinion known to mankind and no official can do a thing about it. Why are you continually and persistently lying to yourself? Does it make you feel good to feel persecuted? Does it strengthen your beliefs?
Why you bother to argue with something so obvious I don't really get. I guess you just don't like to think you are in the wrong and are punishing us the way the Nazis did the Jews, so you have to keep demonizing us just as the Nazis did the Jews and make it our fault by hook or by crook. So what else is new?
Don't you think this analogy is a little overblown? Where are the gas ovens? It's obviously a great disappointment to you that your nasty beliefs are NOT persecuted, so much so that you have to imagine it. The masochism and narcissism of extreme belief systems has always been a clear indicator of delusion.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 73 of 115 (796483)
12-30-2016 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Faith
12-30-2016 11:38 AM


Faith writes:
Could we please get this simple point straight? You ought to know from the context that I'm not saying you are disallowing my verbal statement of my opinions (although with the excoriating responses I get, including from you in this post, in a sense that's not even true), but in context when I'm saying I'm to be punished for my opinions it's for my obligation to act upon them when put to the test.
It's important Faith. Very important. Because in fact none of these laws affect you at all do they? In fact, they affect virtually no Christians at all. Whereas laws against what your opinions are, what religion you profess and what you say, would affect you. Which is why the next thing you say is utter bollocks.....
Faith writes:
....punishing us the way the Nazis did the Jews...
And yet, when pulled up on it you still think there's a comparison
I don't think the Nazi example is too far-fetched for that, no.
So you're sat there at home in front of your PC able to think and say anything without any concern whatsoever that the FBI will turn up, arrest you for simply being a religious idiot, put you in a work camp in Alaska and pile your emaciated, naked body into a mass grave in the woods when you're no longer any use for their 'medical research'. And you think that there's some comparison to Nazi Germany? What??
Barking mad.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 79 of 115 (796490)
12-30-2016 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
12-30-2016 12:34 PM


Faith writes:
I guess I COULD wait until the gestapo come to my door before saying anything, but it's always best to object to an unjust law before it comes to that.
And lucky for you, you live in a democratic country with rights of free speech and the ability to object to, and vote down, laws that you believe are unjust.
Just don't abuse those rights - and in the process make yourself look really stupid - by comparing your imaginary sufferings with the real suffering of those that died in the holocaust.
Or on second thoughts, carry on, it exposes your argument for what they are - utter shite.
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Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 89 of 115 (796508)
12-30-2016 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Modulous
12-30-2016 3:08 PM


Mod writes:
I'm bisexual, as is my wife. That's probably what confused you.
I suspect she's just self-combusted.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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