The Brand New Birther Thread

It was a mistake. Your turn. Anything involving neither an error nor magic. Anything at all. Now you're being mistaken about why you're mistaken. At the time, you explained "He's identified as the editor of the Harvard Law Review on the same page that the bio is given about birth in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii."You just saw the word "Harvard" and assumed it was the source of the misinformation.Now, suppose Goderich saw the word "Kenya". Suppose that skimming through D.F.M.F. or a precis of it she saw that it was written by a black guy, with a Kenyan father, who grew up abroad, and didn't notice (or the precis didn't even mention) that he happened to be born on American soil. This mistake would be far more understandable than yours, which required the sort of muddleheadedness that would startle a rabid badger on acid.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

And as a bonus, here's Snopes debunking it as thoroughly as you could wish for.Welcome to Kenya, Birthplace of Barack Obama | Snopes.com

They show you how easy it is to make a mistake. It is hard to detect a train of thought there.Who was there to notice it and "make an issue of it"? So, go for it. Your explanation that involves neither a mistake nor magic. Who was her source? What evidence was she presented with? Flesh out your insane fantasy a little.

You make idiotic mistakes all the time. Are you going to tell us that no-one who can hold down a responsible job has ever under any circumstances been a little bit like you?

OK, you don't have to glimpse into that perverse hotbed of factual accuracy. ThinAirDesigns has posted the original of the photoshopped picture; and I can tell you myself that the Arabic script under where it says "Kenya" does in fact read h-a-w-a-ii, left to right, which does kind of give away that it's a joke.

And why would she suddenly change her message? Are we missing the bit of the tape where Obama's goons took her out back and beat her until she recanted?

(Note that Hawaii is written left-to-right, i.e. backwards.)

I presented a plausible hypothesis. Which is more than you have done. You've got as far as ruling out magic, which I appreciate must have been a big step for you. Now, how do you suppose Goderich arrived at THE SECRET TRUTH, nearly two decades before anyone else had an inkling of it?Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

I said you'd ruled it out. If you like I will withdraw that statement. People have made much bigger mistakes than that, Faith. You've made bigger mistakes than that on a daily basis. And yet no-one else mentioned it. So she went and looked at his school records, which are confidential, to find out where he was born? Rather than, say, relying on her unreliable memory, which you do all the time?

Well, as a creationist it is your go-to explanation for anything you don't understand. So, Lipscomb really can't understand how Goderich "picked a really weird country of origin like Kenya", the country Obama's father came from, that one-third of his book is set in, and that is mentioned by name 104 times in the course of the book.Then this is a conclusive argument that Lipscomb is a drooling moron. But Faith, as I have pointed out before, Obama is not a Birther. He has never been a Birther. But I like your argument that he was so minor and unimportant that no-one could make a careless mistake about any of his biographical details, it has that pleasant air of surreal craziness that one has learned to associate with you.---I recently had occasion to write a short biography of the minor Italian scientist Vitaliano Donati. He is far too unimportant for anyone to make a mistake about, and I have seen innumerable claims --- including those of his contemporaries --- that he died in a shipwreck, which is a sufficiently weird and singular way to die. So these accounts must be true and based on reliable documents, right?Only they're complete bollocks.

In the first place, there is no record of him freely admitting anything of the kind, and secondly in your bizarre paranoid fantasy further up the thread you said there was a secret plot to make him President back when he was a student. This would have involved concealing his ineligiblity, not telling everyone about it.---Here are some examples of the sort of mistake no-one ever makes. Clearly in every case the original article was based off unimpeachable authentic official documents and the retraction was beaten out of some poor craven sub-editor by Obama's thugs.---Accuracy & Ethics - Chicago TribuneClarence Page's column of Aug. 17 incorrectly reported author J.D. Vance's birthplace as Jackson, Ky. In fact, he was born in Middletown, Ohio, but frequently lived with family in Jackson as he grew up. The Tribune regrets the error.http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ns-watson-lake-countyThe headline above an article on the Oct. 1 front page about recently retired Florida National Guard Brig. Gen. Jimmy Watson misstated his birthplace. Watson, who was reared in Lake County, was born in Pensacola.The Morning CallAbraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky. His birthplace was incorrect in a Wednesday story about his birthday celebration at the Lehigh Valley Heritage Museum in Allentown.Sun SentinelAn article about Caribbean crime and development on Page 16A of Friday's edition misspelled the name of Boca Raton developer George Barbar and misstated his place of birth. He was born in Lebanon.In obituaries March 30 and March 31 for singing cowboy Monte Hale, The Associated Press incorrectly named his birthplace. In obituaries March 30 and March 31 for singing cowboy Monte Hale, The Associated Press incorrectly named his birthplace. Hale was born in San Angelo, Texas, not San Antonio, according to the Autry National Center of the American West.Corrections - The New York TimesAn obituary of the historian and presidential adviser Richard E. Neustadt on Nov. 3 and in some late copies on Nov. 2 misstated his birthplace and omitted his place of death. He was born in Philadelphia, not New York City, and he died at his English country home in the village of Furneux Pelham, in Hertfordshire. The article also misstated the name of the political party led by his wife in the House of Lords. It is the Liberal Democrats, not the Social Democratic Party.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

And here's a mistake even earlier than the one Modulous found.https://file.wikileaks.org/...t-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdfNow, how did the Honolulu Advertiser, way back in 1961, well before Obama was in the public eye, make such a bizarrely specific mistake as to say that the Obamas lived at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, when in fact they were somewhere in Kenya?How did the Star Bulletin make exactly the same mistake?Boy, I bet their faces are red!

It occurred to me, looking over this mailman thing ... If this was Obama, why in the world would she call him a foreign student? Remember, the birther nonsense depends on the legally dubious proposition that although Obama is certainly a citizen by virtue of being his mother's son, being born in Kenya would make him not "natural born". But either way, he was born an American. Moreover, the earliest date he could have been at the Ayers house was 1989. At that point it had been 14 years, half his life, since his return to America, and he had of course been raised by his American mother prior to that. My point being that he wasn't going around saying "Me gonna be big fella President, ooga booga."So, it would be kind of weird for Ayers to call him a foreign student, since he was an American citizen by birth who spoke, dressed, and behaved exactly like any other American. But for the Birther interpretation to bear any weight, we have to believe not only that she called him "foreign" but that when she did so she meant exactly that he was born abroad, no more and no less.'Cos if she meant any less than that (e.g. that he'd spent much of his youth overseas, or had a foreign father, or a vestige of an Indonesian accent) it would be no use to Birthers, and if she meant any more than that (e.g. that he wasn't a citizen) then she'd just be making a silly mistake which would be no more evidential than if she'd called him a horse. Therefore, for Birther purposes, she had to know the exact circumstances of Obama's birth and citizenship and then she had to use "foreign" exactly in the sense of "a person who is an American citizen by birth and who spent most of his life in America and appears to be a totally normal American, but happened to be born overseas."But no-one ever does use the word in that sense. That is not a sense that it has. For example, John McCain was born in Panama, a fact that is known to millions of people, and yet a google search on the phrases "John McCain is foreign" and "John McCain is a foreigner" shows that no-one on the entire Internet has ever said either of those things. I am the first, and I'm explaining how dumb it would be.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Really? How would you go about doing so?