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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Golly gee, another hoax? But whose hoax? Which is the hoax? Do you know? Of course not.
Now go listen to the video of the Kenyan ambassador who clearly says there is some kind of monument to Obama's birth in Kenya.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Nope, not on this subject would I read snopes.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Any literary agent or editor or publisher worth her salt would not make such an idi*otic mistake.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know why you hammer so hard on the sins of the Catholics but ignore the sins of the Protestants. Humans are humans with examples of saints and sinners in every group you look at. I am focused on ideologies, not people. The RCC is a totalitarian ideology whose aim is to rule the entire world, just as it is Islam's aim and Communism's. They are really three of the heads of a homicidal beast. The RCC murdered something like fifty million Protestants over the six hundred years of the official Inquisition, for theologically disagreeing with them, not to mention another seventeen million Jews, Muslims, witches and others for the same reason. The Protestants did some indefensible things too but on a minuscule scale by comparison, only here and there and not systematically and -- most important -- against the Bible which is the authority for Protestants. The Vatican has never closed the Office of the Inquisition, or taken the anathemas against Protestant doctrine out of their official documents. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I do not buy your rationalization about a supposed mistranslation. That's all it is, a klutzy rationalization. In the beginning the translator was sure she said she witnessed his birth in Kenya, and then he kept getting all these contrary messages. Sorry. All the earmarks of a sudden change in the message, not a mistranslation.
This is not evidence that the family intervened in the conversation. That evidence, should it exist, would surely be on the recording of the conversation. But it is absent from that recording. The evidence I gave is circumstantial but good evidence. I wanted to find the original recording I heard because I had the impression there was some evidence there, but if someone intervened with a nudge and a silently mouthed message it might not be obvious. Of course I searched properly for the video, and I got some videos on the subject but not the one I'd heard the day before. I can try again. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
1) There are no signs that colour in Kenya 2) The signs that do exist, don't have Arabic script. 3) The Arabic script is near gibberish, but claims Obama was born in Hawaii and that, for some reason, John is dead. Now that you remind me, I was surprised to see the upper sign with the Arabic on it because the sign I saw did not have Arabic on it, only the English words. And I don't remember the background at all. So, those two are both fakes. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
And why would she suddenly change her message? I explained that. Nudge nudge, wide-eyed relative mouths the words "NO, NO, HAWAII!"
Are we missing the bit of the tape where Obama's goons took her out back and beat her until she recanted? Possibly a moment's pause and a rustling sound.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Are you kidding? Mod has made up half his posts to rationalize away this or that in the mailman incident,and his mistranslation hypothesis in the grandmother incident was made up; PaulK has invented a bunch of scenarios too, Dr. A made up his theory about how the mistake in the book was supposedly made, jar keeps spouting out his weary opinions with no evidence, and you pick on me. Of course. This whole discussion is hypothetical at this point and my hypothesis of what may have happened is a really good one.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm very sure it didn't have Arabic on it but maybe you are right that I was startled by the English. It was in the middle of a video and I have no idea how to find that video. If I can even remember whose video it was ... I do remember that the guy himself had to search to find it. But I also have to find the video of the grandmother I saw.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I presented a plausible hypothesis. Which is more than you have done. You've got as far as ruling out magic, which I appreciate must have been a big step for you. Now, how do you suppose Goderich arrived at THE SECRET TRUTH, nearly two decades before anyone else had an inkling of it? Your incessant "funny" lie about me appealing to magic really ought to be smacked down by mods, but it won't be. Your hypothesis wasn't remotely plausible. There is no way a person could make such a mistake. She would have been working from documents about him provided from some source she considered reliable. Surely the likely explanation is that his Kenyan birth was no secret back in those days, it was probably on various official documents. Probably a main reason all his school records are now kept from public view. His Kenyan birth was "deep sixed," as they say, when he became a nationally known political figure. So I assume there was no controversy when Kenya was given as his birthplace back when that bio was written.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Do you have reason to suppose she was worth her salt? Yes, she's now a partner in the publishing company.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But I also have to find the video of the grandmother I saw. You posted it in Message 695. FanTAStic. Thank you. I just listened to the very end where the narrator at the beginning claims she affirmed Obama's birth in Mombasa. It's very hard to hear and I had to listen half a dozen times, but at 9:52 it sounds to me like she's saying "Mombasa," rather loudly too though the other sounds surrounding it on the tape interfere with it. I'll still have to listen to the whole thing again.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh stop the charade. You said it must have cost me to give up the idea of magic. But thank you for withdrawing it anyway.
People in her position don't make that kind of mistake. Here's an article on the subject that mentions how unlikely it is to make THAT KIND of mistake:http://www.americanthinker.com/...o_fact_checking_error.html Former publisher Tom Lipscomb does not buy Goderich's explanation for a New York minute. "As someone who has run a number of top bestseller publishers, I think this is an amazing MIRACLE," writes Lipscomb emphatically on Power Line. "It is the ONLY case I have ever heard of in which an editorial assistant INVENTED a biographical detail. I have heard of typos, wrong dates, misspellings of names. But to pick a really weird country of origin like Kenya for an author?" Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/...g_error.html#ixzz4SwzM3Puf So she went and looked at his school records, which are confidential, to find out where he was born? You knock yourself out saying the most unlikely thing, don't you? Your main effort seems to be to obfuscate rather than illuminate.
Rather than, say, relying on her unreliable memory, which you do all the time? Yes, I do, because it's too hard to keep looking things up in a debate with half a dozen people who wouldn't appreciate the effort anyway. But she wouldn't. Besides, as that article says, the publishing company had about 90 clients at the time, and for a minor client like Obama she wouldn't have HAD any memory to rely on, she'd have to rely on documents supplied by somebody. Probably him, since that's standard, but we aren't allowed to say that are we? She herself is at GREAT pains to deny that he provided the information, as reported in that article. (so many things we aren't allowed to say these days.) Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I get criticized for everything I do, right or wrong. My arguments on this subject are really really good. Doesn't stop the Choir of Criticizers. And I do check on most things anyway.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But Faith, as I have pointed out before, Obama is not a Birther. He has never been a Birther. Except before he was in the public eye, when he could freely admit to having been born in Kenya.
But I like your argument that he was so minor and unimportant that no-one could make a careless mistake about any of his biographical details, it has that pleasant air of surreal craziness that one has learned to associate with you. Speaking of surreal craziness, this is a fine specimen. What I said was she wouldn't have relied on her memory because she wouldn't have remembered him because he wasn't a major client of theirs, not that there is any reason to think that kind of information would be easily remembered in any case, but certainly not in this case. She needed someone to supply information about him. And again, the standard procedure is for the author to supply that information. And again, she adamantly denied that he supplied the information, which is so unlikely she had to have been lying, and she had to have been lying because by that time it was inconvenient to say he was born in Kenya. A dead author is not expected to supply information about his life. Just in case you were wondering.
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