The Brand New Birther Thread

Golly gee, another hoax? But whose hoax? Which is the hoax? Do you know? Of course not.Now go listen to the video of the Kenyan ambassador who clearly says there is some kind of monument to Obama's birth in Kenya.

Nope, not on this subject would I read snopes.

Any literary agent or editor or publisher worth her salt would not make such an idi*otic mistake.

I am focused on ideologies, not people. The RCC is a totalitarian ideology whose aim is to rule the entire world, just as it is Islam's aim and Communism's. They are really three of the heads of a homicidal beast. The RCC murdered something like fifty million Protestants over the six hundred years of the official Inquisition, for theologically disagreeing with them, not to mention another seventeen million Jews, Muslims, witches and others for the same reason. The Protestants did some indefensible things too but on a minuscule scale by comparison, only here and there and not systematically and -- most important -- against the Bible which is the authority for Protestants. The Vatican has never closed the Office of the Inquisition, or taken the anathemas against Protestant doctrine out of their official documents. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I do not buy your rationalization about a supposed mistranslation. That's all it is, a klutzy rationalization. In the beginning the translator was sure she said she witnessed his birth in Kenya, and then he kept getting all these contrary messages. Sorry. All the earmarks of a sudden change in the message, not a mistranslation. The evidence I gave is circumstantial but good evidence. I wanted to find the original recording I heard because I had the impression there was some evidence there, but if someone intervened with a nudge and a silently mouthed message it might not be obvious.Of course I searched properly for the video, and I got some videos on the subject but not the one I'd heard the day before. I can try again.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Now that you remind me, I was surprised to see the upper sign with the Arabic on it because the sign I saw did not have Arabic on it, only the English words. And I don't remember the background at all.So, those two are both fakes. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I explained that. Nudge nudge, wide-eyed relative mouths the words "NO, NO, HAWAII!" Possibly a moment's pause and a rustling sound.

Are you kidding? Mod has made up half his posts to rationalize away this or that in the mailman incident,and his mistranslation hypothesis in the grandmother incident was made up; PaulK has invented a bunch of scenarios too, Dr. A made up his theory about how the mistake in the book was supposedly made, jar keeps spouting out his weary opinions with no evidence, and you pick on me. Of course. This whole discussion is hypothetical at this point and my hypothesis of what may have happened is a really good one.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm very sure it didn't have Arabic on it but maybe you are right that I was startled by the English. It was in the middle of a video and I have no idea how to find that video. If I can even remember whose video it was ... I do remember that the guy himself had to search to find it. But I also have to find the video of the grandmother I saw.

Your incessant "funny" lie about me appealing to magic really ought to be smacked down by mods, but it won't be. Your hypothesis wasn't remotely plausible. There is no way a person could make such a mistake. She would have been working from documents about him provided from some source she considered reliable.Surely the likely explanation is that his Kenyan birth was no secret back in those days, it was probably on various official documents. Probably a main reason all his school records are now kept from public view. His Kenyan birth was "deep sixed," as they say, when he became a nationally known political figure. So I assume there was no controversy when Kenya was given as his birthplace back when that bio was written.

Yes, she's now a partner in the publishing company.

FanTAStic. Thank you.I just listened to the very end where the narrator at the beginning claims she affirmed Obama's birth in Mombasa. It's very hard to hear and I had to listen half a dozen times, but at 9:52 it sounds to me like she's saying "Mombasa," rather loudly too though the other sounds surrounding it on the tape interfere with it.I'll still have to listen to the whole thing again.

Oh stop the charade. You said it must have cost me to give up the idea of magic. But thank you for withdrawing it anyway.People in her position don't make that kind of mistake. Here's an article on the subject that mentions how unlikely it is to make THAT KIND of mistake:
http://www.americanthinker.com/...o_fact_checking_error.html You knock yourself out saying the most unlikely thing, don't you? Your main effort seems to be to obfuscate rather than illuminate. Yes, I do, because it's too hard to keep looking things up in a debate with half a dozen people who wouldn't appreciate the effort anyway. But she wouldn't.Besides, as that article says, the publishing company had about 90 clients at the time, and for a minor client like Obama she wouldn't have HAD any memory to rely on, she'd have to rely on documents supplied by somebody. Probably him, since that's standard, but we aren't allowed to say that are we? She herself is at GREAT pains to deny that he provided the information, as reported in that article. (so many things we aren't allowed to say these days.)Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I get criticized for everything I do, right or wrong. My arguments on this subject are really really good. Doesn't stop the Choir of Criticizers. And I do check on most things anyway.

Except before he was in the public eye, when he could freely admit to having been born in Kenya. Speaking of surreal craziness, this is a fine specimen. What I said was she wouldn't have relied on her memory because she wouldn't have remembered him because he wasn't a major client of theirs, not that there is any reason to think that kind of information would be easily remembered in any case, but certainly not in this case. She needed someone to supply information about him. And again, the standard procedure is for the author to supply that information. And again, she adamantly denied that he supplied the information, which is so unlikely she had to have been lying, and she had to have been lying because by that time it was inconvenient to say he was born in Kenya.A dead author is not expected to supply information about his life. Just in case you were wondering.