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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Dr Adequate writes: Faith, you were saying? She was providing the obviously doctored video linked below as evidence. While she did additional post her reasoning for considering it non-fake, her reasoning did not include checking out the possible avenues discussed on the you tube page where the video can be found. I fully expect Faith to claim that she should not be expected to read an entire web page when citing it.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I don't know how you guys can keep your sanity Maybe we are lacking in some sanity. Isn't it insanity to expect different results from taking the same actions? In any event, I find the latest debacle both hilarious and illuminating. Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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This site has quite a comprehensive list of the evidence that has been collected that Obama was born in Kenya, at least that he was a foreigner when he came to the US to go to school. Reading your posts has that train wreck fascination. You found something on a web page...
Another thing I just this minute heard about that needs to be checked out is that he traveled as Barry Soetoro from Indonesia to Pakistan in 1981 with an Indonesian passport which proves citizenship. Also in the company of "another" Muslim according to my source. You just heard something...
I had no idea Cruz was not born in the US until it came up in discussion here. I wonder how many others knew that. You don't know the facts... Trump repeatedly leveled birther charges against Cruz during the primary. And folks have been throwing Cruz up in birthers faces ever since he elected to run. What other relevant facts have you refused to learn or accept? Seriously, why should anyone respond to what you post? Modulus is doing you a huge courtesy by taking you the least bit seriously. FWIW, I don't think you are a racist but the xenophobic stuff you spew here is sure not any improvement over racism. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Not one Republican made a stink about it, NOT EVEN TRUMP!! Actually, Trump did bring up the issue regarding Cruz on a number of occasions. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The point was that Obama's foreign birth had been made a big issue for some time and was hotly contested on the level of facts. "All the stuff that had already come out" DOES distinguish Obama from Cruz. Wrong Faith, because what we are comparing is your assumed situation regarding Obama to the actual facts about Cruz. It is a lie that Obama was born in Kenya, but taking that lie as truth ends up with a situation that is still slightly better than Cruz's actual situation.
Unlike the Obama situation where over and over the facts themselves seemed to be hidden under layers of deceit. And still are. Again, the facts are that Cruz and his parents were all Canadian citizens and that Cruz was born in Canada. The lies about Obama attempt to get him to a similar state. So none of this why you reach dissimilar conclusions about the law. It is your, according to you, unexplained bias against Obama, which you claim is not just hatred. Despite your wishes, the constitution would not prevent a Muslim from becoming president anyway. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
If their true agenda is to enslave or subjugate or kill infidels and they are pretending to be like those infidels Are you claiming that such is Obama's agenda? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Not all Muslims know all of the agenda of Islam, they just obey it. Statements like this are why folks accuse you of being prejudiced and xenophobic. Why you feel that statements like this are more acceptable than just calling folks niggers is beyond me. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
However, let me add something I think was originally said by CS Lewis: what if you believed that witches are people who are directly in contact with demons who can do evil things to people at their command? Would you not want to treat that as a criminal offense? If, in fact, you held such a believe and did make witchery a criminal offense, do you think such a thing would be excusable? Because if so, you are pretty much proving the point. Namely that for you, Christian crimes are excusable. Didn't you claim in a previous discussion that James I lived a blamess life?
Yes I did know that and forgot, sorry. I guess I think of it as a local limited thing compared to the Inquisition Of course you do given your hatred for all things Catholic. Your thinking would be exactly so. That you easily remember things in you want to believe is a thought pattern people have pointed out repeatedly in this thread.
However, witch hunts were not "a big deal" in the Colonies, there was ONE event, in Salem Your knowledge is very selective. What about the witch trial in Hartford Connecticut, which occurred nearly thirty years before the Salem trials? Beyond the executions, other folks were prosecuted and punished for practicing witchcraft. The earliest confirmed execution in the US for witchcraft was 1647 and the last confirmed execution was in 1779.[1] Your rebuttal is that Catholics were actually worse than Protestants who were really sincere? Really? [1] See http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/documents/ESPYyear.pdf Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The point was to make it understandable and appeal to whatever is left of anybody's honesty at EvC. You made it sound idiotic and insane. Essentially, "If you were a superstitious person who believed that your own failures were caused by someone else, you might burn a witch." If I were Hitler or Luther I might say something similar about Jews. Would that be justifiable. "Sorry for the pain, but I'm just following my beliefs to their natural ends. For that matter, you make exactly that claim about how Muslim's behave. My point is to make an understandable analogy that might appeal to whatever shred of honest you have left.
Since most here don't believe in demons or supernatural witchcraft it's easy to vilify the Christians who do. Let's not play the martyr card so quickly. Lots of folks, Christian are not, believe in evil spirits, voodoo, etc. and they are all pretty easy to laugh at. None of their stories make their murders sympathetic. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The Protestants, as I understand it, had court trials, so this wasn't "murder." Their standards may be indefensible by our current lights, but they weren't wholesale murder. And at least in Salem it was the clergy who stopped the proceedings on the basis of their not being fair. They were morally equivalent to murder. I stand by my characterization. In Salem, the state and the church were inseparable. The trials were "stopped" by the clergy enforcing better rules of evidence and not by a realization that they were perpetrating evil. Every single person tried, whether or not they were executed, was completely innocent of witchcraft because that crap does not work.
Lewis DID say what I remembered so your ridicule is as usual just your bias against anything I post. I never contradicted the idea that C S Lewis made that statement. You can take that particular issue up with jar if you'd like. I don't care if it was C S Lewis or the Queen of England who expressed the idea that superstition makes you kill folk. C S Lewis statement is a complete and utter validation of the principle of separation of Church and State, and possibly also a validation of the principle of not allowing the state to have the power to execute folks.
The point was that it is the Christians here who believe in invisible spirits so it is the Christians who get vilified. It's a statement of simple fact, not playing the martyr. The vilification is not because you are Christian. You are being ridiculed for using superstition to justify the unjustifiable. In fact, it is not all Christians who are being ridiculed here, it is just you who happens to be the one accepting and making BS excuses. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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And I do check on most things anyway. You do a fairly poor job of checking things. Getting most things right (anything over 50 percent) is not a good track record. You've had to back off of any number of assertions in this thread alone. If you want an accounting, I'd be happy to provide one. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Dr Adequate writes: Rather than, say, relying on her unreliable memory, which you do all the time? Faith writes: Yes, I do, because it's too hard to keep looking things up in a debate with half a dozen people who wouldn't appreciate the effort anyway. Lol! And even when you do look things up, you come up with fakes and misreadings a high percentage of the time. So you are right... why even bother to make attempts at accuracy if you are going to fail much of the time when you do some research. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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