Shroud of Turin

The DNA of God: Newly Discovered Secrets is a recent book on the topic. It has been a long time since I've read this book (or was it another book on the same topic? I dont remember) but anyway, it states that examination of the material that comprises the shroud has been covered with some organic bacterial coating forms. About 40% of the material is estimated to be this organic material, which is enough to possibly cause the distortion of the radiocarbon dating.As for the facial imprint.... I remember reading and watching on tv some program about that it could possibly be caused by radioactivity... kinda like a photographic imprint or something like that.But of course, I'll leave it up to you to examine the evidence and form your own conclusions

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Didn't I also read somewhere that analysis of the pigment which makes up the image show it to be one which wasn't available until around the 13th Century

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Actually the linen shows no signs of paint pigments (the reddish oxide found is not a paint, according to x-ray flourescent analysis[whatever that technique is lol]) or brush strokes. The red stains were found to be of blood, of type AB, containing elevated levels of bilirubin (a reddish-yellow bile pigment), consistent with that of a person tortured.

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Secondly everything that has been radiocarbon-dated has a "covering" of bacteria on the surface, so all dating would be wrong. Thing is, it isn't. So why should bacteria on the surface of the shroud meand that the the result is wrong, but for everything else it's OK?

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Everything else in this case being? I meant that the presence of the bacteria could POSSIBLY have skewed the result. As noted Rei has performed an analysis of the impact of 40% of the linen being made of bacterial and fungal remnants-I imagine that the amount of C present in the organic remnants could be a larger percentage than that of the linen, due to different proportions of C in the materials. The Shroud of Turin suggests that the balance could be caused by the cleaning method used in the dating dissolves some of the cellulose from the flax from the shroud, while not affecting that of the biopolymeric film.

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True bacterial biofilms need a decent amount of moisture to develop. As far as I'm aware the conditions the shroud are kept in are anything but overly moist.

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I imagine they get their moisture from the fungi, like lichen do.Other evidence for the authenticity of the shroud include analysis of the dirt found near the foot of the linen. It was found to contain travertine argonite, a rare form of calcite found near Damascus Gate.[This message has been edited by blitz77, 01-06-2004][This message has been edited by blitz77, 01-06-2004]

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Won't work. All kinds of radiation so far discovered are isotropic - non directional - in normal gravity and magnetic fields, so the image would be a 360 deg panpramic picture of a face. In order to have the full-frontal face of the shroud, you have to postulate a hitherto unknown gravitationally anisotropic field.

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To have any credibility as an explanation, it would require a proof independent of the shroud itself.

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lol I think I got confused with something else. Looking around the net, it seems that a guy named Stephen Mattingly proposes that the facial imprint was caused by bacteria-in this case he used bacteria called Staphylococcus epidermidis, which is commonly found on the skin. He estimated that during the crucifixion the number of bacteria could have multiplied 100x within the wounds, culturing a biofilm capable of absorbing water from the surroundings.After killing the bacteria, he then smeared the stuff on his skin (!) then applied a linen to the area, then allowing it to dry, then peeled it off-the bacterial imprint was similar in quality to that of the shroud. The bacteria in the shroud may have died, then gradually oxidised causing the stains.Interestingly enough, near the facial imprint were two faint imprints; one of a coin that was minted around 29AD, during the reign of Emperor Tiberius, and another if a lepton (a copper piece) from the reign of Pontius Pilate. Of course, you might be wondering why they'd bother putting coins near the eyes of the face- it was Jewish custom at the time of Jesus' death to place coins over both eyes of the corpse.[This message has been edited by blitz77, 01-06-2004]

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And just how did they type the supposed blood? From what I've read, the shroud was in a fire in 1532 in which the silver box it was kept in melted. If the melting point of silver is 961C, I'm sure it's well above the point at which proteins denature.

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If the entire shroud was affected, I'd similarly imagine that radiocarbon dating could also possibly be affected, not only by the biofilm. Of course, that doesn't alter your point. You'd have to ask them not me Personally, it wouldn't matter too much for me if the Shroud was fake or real; it's just an interesting (and contreversial) artefact.

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LOL and you actually think the resolution on the shroud is such that you can see minting dates of faint imprints of coins?

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There's another inconsistency. The right eye pattern is from the NEGATIVE image while the left eye pattern is from the POSITIVE.

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Upon inspection of the coins themselves, I imagine this could be caused by the left eye coin having the markings as an impression/depression, while the markings on the right coin were caused by it being an extrusion, made like a cast or something like that. With a depression, less contact would be made with the linen, causing that region to be lighter, while similarly making the right eye and coin markings darker.

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I would also like to ask why coin images should show up at all. If the image was produced by bacteria from the skin then shouldn't real coins show up as blank areas ? It looks like we have to reject one idea or the other.

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Now this is probably a harder problem to explain. Any suggestions other than saying that the bacteria/fungi could grow within the linen due to the conditions inside?

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Even more interestingly your sources disagree on what the coins are:
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If the coins were struck locally, as they probably were, then they'd also probably be made from the same die.

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Much of the copper coinage was struck locally and was of rather poor quality.

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Doubts Concerning the Coins Over the Eyes

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Yes and it is very interesting that with all these apparent sources of error the dates all come up pointing the same time frame that the darn thing first cropped up in history.

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The "old" supporters seem to suggest that the shroud of turin was probably the cloth of Edessa, which dates back beyond 544 AD.