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PaulK
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Message 8 of 77 (76776)
01-06-2004 2:57 AM
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01-05-2004 8:03 PM


Then please remmember to produce actual proof. Not the speculations of shroud supporters (such as the idea that a biofilm "explains" the dates - but to do that then it would have to replace almost the entire material of the shroud).

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Message 11 of 77 (76803)
01-06-2004 11:05 AM
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01-06-2004 10:55 AM


Re: Shroud evidence
40% isn't enough. The figures I've seen suggest that it would need to be 60% if all the carbon were modern - but since biofilms grow slowly it'd probably have to be 80% or more.

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Message 23 of 77 (76952)
01-07-2004 2:59 AM
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01-06-2004 9:22 PM


So you are now saying that speculations should be taken as fact. Or is it that speculations should be accepted as fact Iiuf they agrtee with what you want to be true ?
And if you feel at all insulted by that then just consider this. I meant EXACTLY what I said. When I said "speculation" I meant "speculation".

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Message 24 of 77 (76953)
01-07-2004 3:09 AM
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01-06-2004 10:44 PM


Re: Seeing for ourselves
There's another inconsistency. The right eye pattern is from the NEGATIVE image while the left eye pattern is from the POSITIVE.
I would also like to ask why coin images should show up at all. If the image was produced by bacteria from the skin then shouldn't real coins show up as blank areas ? It looks like we have to reject one idea or the other.

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Message 32 of 77 (77101)
01-08-2004 2:51 AM
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01-06-2004 8:53 PM


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Interestingly enough, near the facial imprint were two faint imprints; one of a coin that was minted around 29AD, during the reign of Emperor Tiberius, and another if a lepton (a copper piece) from the reign of Pontius Pilate
Even more interestingly your sources disagree on what the coins are:
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I think the claim of the coins is relevant in that it indicates the lengths to which shroud supporters will stretch the evidence, but that hardly supports the idea that the shroud is genuine.

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Message 34 of 77 (77111)
01-08-2004 6:12 AM
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01-08-2004 6:07 AM


Re: Seeing for ourselves
No, if the coins were struck from the same die - as is clearly stated - then they must have the same raised areas.

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Message 36 of 77 (77114)
01-08-2004 6:21 AM
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01-08-2004 6:13 AM


They can't be identifiable as DIFFERENT coins AND struck from the same die.
Oh, and can I ask about the "actual coins" you referred to in your previous post ? Where they have the same pattern but it is raised on one and depressed on the other ? Where can I see those ?

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Message 38 of 77 (77116)
01-08-2004 6:36 AM
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01-08-2004 6:24 AM


THe site only shows additional "palm" marks as counter marks. The year 30 and 31 galleries show numerous coins with the "crook" symbol - and in every case it appears to be raised. I can't see one example where the "crook" is a depression.

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