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PaulK
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Message 86 of 98 (761555)
07-02-2015 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Modulous
07-02-2015 3:55 PM


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That was a mistake, for sure. An easily made one, but one that should have been easy to rectify - something that has not been the case.
As I pointed out, CS had plenty of opportunities to clarify his position and didn't take them.
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Seeing CS' words in their full context reveals this was an error of communication on both parties. But this mistake began when you replied with a point that was not relevant to CS' posts, and CS providing further support for the claims he was actually making which confused you meaning you made a further error here.
NoNukes has already pointed out that the situation is not as clear as you are making out.
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Unfortunately he showed too much charity to begin with, assuming you were addressing his point rather than something irrelevant.
That cannot be described as charity. I made a clear point - and one certainly relevant to the broader discussion. If CS chose to interpret it differently - without giving any notice at all, that is an error.
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Nevertheless, your message 21 and 39 was pretty condescending so I think you lose the right to expect charity. Nevertheless, he did explain your error in message 40.
Given that his message 39 is worse than either I really don't think I have must to be sorry for there. And his message 40 is hardly a clear correction.
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Well he asked you for further clarification initially in message 44, you just quoted CS back at himself so he dismissed you in Message 47,
He asked for clarification of a particular phrase. I quoted his words back at him because they meant the same - to avoid misunderstanding. The answer was honest and as constructive as it could be given the limits of the question. Dismissal was not an appropriate response.
Unreasonably taking his side like this is not helpful.
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So your claim that he didn't try to clear things up is false. You played a part in the discussion turning unpleasant which delayed the explanation a couple of posts.
Not really - he didn't provide anything as clear as my message Message 42 And his only response to that was to question the meaning of one phrase - and when I told him he just dismissed the whole thing, in a nasty way.
And it is pretty clear that most of the nastiness came from him.
It was a joint enterprise.
Not the misunderstanding I am talking about. That's all his work.

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PaulK
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Message 90 of 98 (761563)
07-02-2015 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Modulous
07-02-2015 5:12 PM


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he did explain your error in message 40.
Certainly there is no clear explanation there.
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Well he asked you for further clarification initially in message 44,
He asked for clarification of one phrase, and he got it.
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you just quoted CS back at himself so he dismissed you in Message 47
No, I used his words to answer his question to be sure that he understood.
He got the clearest answer to his question I could give.
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Message 48 was just replying in kind to the increased snark of the discussion
Which he increased in message 46.
And you're claiming he did that because his question was answered.
That doesn't exactly speak well of him.
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So your claim that he didn't try to clear things up is false.
That he missed a good number of opportunities to correct his mistake is a clear fact.
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Care to explain?
As NoNukes quoted him, CS claimed:
And the SCOTUS ruled that it was unconstitutional for my state to refuse to issue people CCLs.
So there he is claiming a right to concealed carry.
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Assuming I am being unreasonable is harmful to us having a reasonable discussion.
Sadly we are not having a reasonable discussion. Because you are not being reasonable.
Look, let me extract the relevant parts of the posts.
Here is my explanation:
It means that they were not restricting themselves to concealed carry. Unfortunately for you that is all I need. So long as a state can follow the ruling without permitting concealed carry for all, the ruling does not establish concealed carry as a fundamental right.
Here is his request for clarification(complete post)
It means that they were not restricting themselves to concealed carry.
What do you mean?
As you see he asks only for an explanation of the first sentence, not the argument or anything else. He does not ask for instance, for the significance of the point which had already been explained anyway.
And here is my answer (complete post)
To put it in your words:
They were just talking about carrying, and whether or not it is concealed is a subset of that
I explained exactly what the phrase meant in his words so he would understand.
And really I'm not going to answer the rest of it because I've spent too much time correcting your errors already.

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PaulK
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Message 96 of 98 (761603)
07-03-2015 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Modulous
07-02-2015 6:35 PM


There is obviously no point in this conversation. You are going to spin everything in CS's favour and ignore every correction.
There is simply no possibiity of a reasonable conversation here so long as you maintain your attitude.

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