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Below is a photograph of what I believe to be a spirit in one of God's chariots...also known as Ezekiel's wheels. The orb? Those are just dust in the air that is out of the focus of the camera. Check out this room full:
Its just dust. Here's a link Not to mention the fact that it looks nothing like the wheels in the artist rendition, and also your orb is tiny while Ezekiel's wheels were huge. What makes you think its one of God's chariots? Edited by Cat Sci, : fixed link
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The photograph that I have presented is commonly known as a spirit orb. Sure, but they're just pieces of dust.
Can you see the spirit in what I believe to be a chariot of God? The sphere in your picture? Yes, I can see it. It is a piece of dust.
I have seen spirits in these chariots myself with my naked eyes. Do you get migraines? You may be experiencing ocular migraines.
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Photographs such as these have been a mystery to mankind for decades. And then we solved the mystery: It is just dust that is if the field of view but out of the focus.
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Extending our vision beyond mere dust, many believe that it is an "angel orb". Others, including myself believe that it is of a real supernatural spiritual entity. I believe that this photograph is a far lesser form of Ezekiel's wheels, described by the early Jewish Merkabah mystics as a chariot of God. And I believe that you are wrong. I believe it is just a speck of dust. So now what?
I believe it to be unwise to diminish the value of a photograph which may support Ezekiel's Vision of God. I believe it is unwise to employ wishful thinking in order to see things as you would wish that they would be. I asked you earlier and you never explained: What is it that makes you think this thing is something spiritual? Added by edit:
Christianity is based on faith. One should not require evidence. Then why are you going on about photographic evidence?
Many turn their heads in disbelief of evidence. Like how you're turning your head to the fact that it is just a piece of dust?
I believe that the OT shines a small light on Ezekiel's Vision of God. But all these "spirit orbs" are around the same size (the size you would expect from dust). Do you have any photos of these orbs that are any larger than a piece of dust could make? Anything at all approaching the size of what Ezekiel saw? If not, why do you think that is the case? Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given. Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given.
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Do we have the right to judge someones belief as fantasy? Its my hot body, I'll do what I want.
If so is it because evidence is lacking? That, and because we have evidence that what they are looking at is just a piece of dust.
Why cant we just say that we dont know if they are right or not? We could, but in this case we do know; Spirit orbs are just dust. Why withhold the truth and evidence? Why lie about it?
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I see the members of this forum as having limited or no experience with the spirit world. And as such, are not qualified to assess the photograph. So that's it then? You show us a picture and make a claim about it, then we tell you that you're wrong and explain what it really is, and then you just disqualify us and claim victory anyways? Why are you wasting our time? What are you trying to accomplish?
The answers to the nature of it can be found in scripture where spiritual things are described. What is described in scripture is nothing like what you've shown us a picture of. But you won't address that. And further, you won't even tell us why you think what you do about the thing you are seeing. We're not really getting anything substantial from you. So what is it you are offering us here? What is the point?
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I'm offering you a tiny light to the reality of Ezekiel's Vision of God. I don't think you are. Aside from the photo, all you've offered is opinions and belief-statements. So this just boils down to wishful thinking and make believe. And you won't even reply to the questions: What makes you think this spirit orb has anything to do with Ezekiel's Vision of God? Why are all the spirit orbs relatively small in size compared to what Ezekiel saw?
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The spirit orb is a chariot of God with a spirit in it. What makes you think that? What makes you think that the thing in the picture is actually a spirit orb? Why can the effect of spirit orbs be recreated with dust in the air? Why haven't any spirit orbs that are large enough to be Ezekiel's wheels ever been observed in a picture?
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Is English your first language? You're not doing a very good job of answering straight-forward questions. Is that due to a language barrier?
Ezekiel describes in scripture what the early mystics called a chariot of God. Palm 68:17. The chariots of God are twenty thousands, Even thousands of thousands. What does that have to do with this? This reply doesn't make sense. What makes you think this orb has anything to do with a chariot of God? Simply quoting Bible verses that mention the chariots of God doesn't even come close to answering that question. Does the Bible ever mention the chariots of God appearing as one single chariot alone like the picture of your orb is? Why should I think that the orb in your picture has anything to do with a chariot of God?
I've seen many chariots of God with my naked eyes. Some the size of two story buildings. Why don't you have any pictures? If you can't capture them in pictures, then you should probably question your sanity.
The wheels in Ezekiel's vision would be less than thousands of thousands because they were near Father God and the Seraphim. Why should I believe that? You just made that up, didn't you?
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Here is a photograph taken in the 1920's/1930's. It was taken without a digital camera, on film, in broad daylight without a flash. It doesn't require digital cameras or flashes, they just make it happen more easily. What you need is light from behind the lens backscattering back into the lens off of something that is in the field of view, but out of the focus of the camera. It happens underwater all the time, there's a lot more stuff floating around in the water than there is in the air. Since it happens more often in water, are you prepared to accept that what you believe are spirits are more prone to occurring underwater than they are on land? How many spirits can you count in this photo?
And the phenomenon is completely understood:
When it happens above water, it is from dust. If the room is really dusty, then you get a lot of them, as I showed in Message 3:
This phenomenon has nothing to do with spirits or chariots of God or Ezekiel or anything like that. It is just an artifact of photography.
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Clearly. you are not well-versed in spirit photography. Show's what you know, ya dingus. I have a lot of experience with spirit photography. I even believe in spirits. I just know that orbs are dust and not spirits. I wish you were better-versed in basic communication. Then you might be able to explain why you think what you do think. And then we could have a conversation. But alas, your track record says otherwise. Is it because you aren't trying? Why do you just blow everybody off? Why start a conversation that you have no intention of actually participating in?
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I didn't know that those circular objects in some photos that are often presented as spiritual beings can be explained as dust particles, as Cat Sci has shown, but it makes sense. These orbs can easily be created by introducing dust into the atmosphere in the field of view of the camera. The more dust, the more orbs you get. That doesn't mean that every single orb must be from dust, but given a random orb it is most likely that it is just a piece of dust. And there's no way to tell that it isn't. Plus, given that the phenomenon happens so much more underwater, if they're all spirits then there must be a brazillion spirits living in our oceans. But that don't make sense.
I'd consider regarding ALL of it as NOT from God and something demonic you need to get out of your life, Oh yeah. Take the image I posted in Message 3. If you zoom in on the colorful spirit orb in the middle near the bottom, you can clearly see it displaying a pentagram. Obviously this is demonic:
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realize that all the spiritual experiences he mentioned are likely demonic Yeah, I just proved that. Didn't you see the pentagram?
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Cat Sci writes:
Why does that not make sense? ...if they're all spirits then there must be a brazillion spirits living in our oceans. But that don't make sense. There's really nobody down there for them to visit. I guess that'd have to be where they hide, or something.
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Notice how this photograph looks exactly like the Halo.
They don't look like a Halo at all - there's nobody in front of them. Halos never occur without somebody's head in front of them. Did you notice Message 97 where I proved that if these are sprits then they must be demonic?
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