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Author Topic:   Was Jesus' crucifixion all part of God's plan?
jar
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Message 167 of 175 (743765)
12-04-2014 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Phat
12-04-2014 5:37 AM


Re: Timeclock Amnesty
Phat writes:
So tell me why if Jesus paid the bill...the debt...for everyone that it would be a farce. Does not GOD have the right to give humanity amnesty from failure? Does this action cheapen GOD or does it cheapen the entire concept of fairness and justice?
Learn to read what I write.
If God required Jesus as a sacrifice to pay some bill for others it would be no different than the society sacrificing you to appease some angry God. Yes it cheapens God and makes God look stupid.
If Jesus was not totally human while alive on earth then it is a farce.
If God is capable of forgiving sin then God is capable of forgiving sin and does not need some blood sacrifice to forgive sin.
Expecting amnesty is a recipe for failure.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 172 of 175 (746829)
01-10-2015 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by Phat
01-10-2015 7:37 AM


Re: As a believer.
Phat writes:
Phat writes:
Who Is Jesus today?
jar writes:
I have no idea what that even means or how that could even be answered by anyone.
You claim to be a Creedal Cradle Christian. Does your creed provide any answers to this question?
No!
Creeds are statements of belief, not of fact or reality. A creed can state what someone believes but does not answer anything about what is or who is.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 174 of 175 (746850)
01-10-2015 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Faith
01-10-2015 10:33 AM


Re: As a believer, says jar -- what a sad joke that is.
Have you ever read the Nicene Creed Faith?
quote:
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.
Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.
And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.
And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Note the recurring assertion "I believe".
It says believe. I could say "This is" but it does not.
We may hope and believe something is true but that belief does not make it true.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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