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ringo
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Message 11 of 50 (741187)
11-10-2014 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Coyote
11-10-2014 11:06 AM


Re: Cruz and McConnell
Coyote writes:
If they are gridlocked, and can't make matters worse, that is not a bad thing.
A stopped clock is right twice a day but that's not an excuse not to fix it.

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ringo
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Message 29 of 50 (741451)
11-12-2014 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by New Cat's Eye
11-10-2014 3:21 PM


Cat's Eye writes:
I want small government.
I don't think anybody really wants small government. Our Canadian Conservatives (who are slightly to the left of your liberals) typically want the government to do "more with less". That's like saying people should feed two families with half the food budget - it makes no sense in any other context, yet conservatives think it makes sense for government.

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ringo
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Message 32 of 50 (741574)
11-13-2014 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by New Cat's Eye
11-12-2014 12:30 PM


Cat's Eye writes:
Most of us (U.S.) think the government is doing too much:
Your chart shows a lot of "doing too much" and a lot of "should do more" which is pretty much what I was saying. If the government could do more with less (taxation), more people would be asking for more.

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ringo
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Message 33 of 50 (741576)
11-13-2014 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by NosyNed
11-12-2014 1:05 PM


Re: Right Sized
NosyNed writes:
You have to tune the size very carefully and constantly retune.
Reminds me of a British TV show, Yes, Minister. A new government comes up with a plan to reduce the size of government - Step One: Hire 100 new civil servants to decide which jobs can be cut.

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ringo
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Message 37 of 50 (741597)
11-13-2014 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by New Cat's Eye
11-13-2014 11:56 AM


Cat's Eye writes:
Republicans mostly think its too much and Democrats mostly think it should be more.
Yes, that's what I'm saying. It isn't, "Most of us (U.S.) think the government is doing too much," as you claimed in Message 30. It's, "Most of us (Republicans) think the government is doing too much."
Reminds me of an editorial I read in the 70s: Democrats think everybody in the world wants to be an American; Republicans want to make everybody in the world an American. Now you seem to think only Republicans are Americans.

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ringo
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Message 38 of 50 (741598)
11-13-2014 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by New Cat's Eye
11-13-2014 11:59 AM


Cat's Eye writes:
"Government" at the Federal level is a joke.
Its ineffective and expensive. Practically worthless.
I recommend disbanding the armed forces.

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ringo
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Message 40 of 50 (741602)
11-13-2014 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by New Cat's Eye
11-13-2014 12:13 PM


Cat's Eye writes:
But the total number of people who think the government is doing too much is a majority, which is what I said.
It's a slim majority at best, and not always a majority on your chart. The fact is that a lot of people want the government to do more, so claiming that "most" want it to do less is a bit weasely.

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ringo
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Message 43 of 50 (741729)
11-14-2014 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by New Cat's Eye
11-13-2014 1:10 PM


Cat's Eye writes:
Okay, claiming facts is weaselly...
It is weasely to claim that most Americans want the government to do less when it isn't always a majority at all and when it is a majority it's only a majority of Republicans. Your "facts" are misleading.
If you had said that a majority of right-wing nuts want the government to do less, I wouldn't have disputed the "fact" - though I suspect that many of them are just spouting the party line and don't really understand the implications of what they're saying.

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ringo
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Message 45 of 50 (741737)
11-14-2014 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by New Cat's Eye
11-14-2014 10:57 AM


Cat's Eye writes:
More people want the government to do less than people who don't.
Not in 1993. Not in 2002. And there are half a dozen points on your graph where the number falls below 50%. Claiming a blanket majority is definitely weasely.
Cat's Eye writes:
Oh, so they don't really want what they say they want? Your mind-reading powers are amazing.
Yes, if a man hits his thumb with a hammer, screams, swears a blue streak and claims it doesn't hurt, I know he doesn't mean what he says. And if somebody claims he wants lower taxes but he also wants more police and more military spending, I know he doesn't mean what he says.
I truly am The Amazing Ringo.

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