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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1535 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Hi dronester,
As I said previously I am not going to sit here and try and defend the US previous actions illegal or not. I do not agree with what was done or why. Wrong is wrong regardless of what language it is in.
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This is not about NATO bases in Russia's back yard. Ukraine to have any NATO bases in Russia's backyard?This is about Russia seizing power, upsurping a sovereign country's borders air space and water ways to protect a tyrant and self interest. This is about Putin shitting his pants because he and his ex KGB cronies know the gig is up, we haz the interwebz now. People in eastern Europe are now embracing freedom over tyranny. People are wisening up. As hyprocritical as my president is in condemning what Russia is doing, I feel he is right in his condemnation and Putin is wrong. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Hi Golden Ratio,
1.61803 writes: Putin is wrong. Yeah, no doubt. We certainly are in agreement here. But when the condemnation comes from Kerry or Obama, it makes Kerry or Obama look like a million times worse than Adolf Hitler. Literally. (Since we are already talking about war criminals, bringing up Hitler would not be against Godwin's Law)
1.61803 writes: This is about Russia seizing power, upsurping a sovereign country's borders air space and water ways to protect a tyrant and self interest. With Obama attacking Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, etc, airspace with illegal and immoral drones, I should think your american voice would be more constructive condemning american international violations.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1535 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
Taz writes:
I with you on this one brother. Fort Hood is as we speak is one of the the first bases to implement early ETS, and transition enticements into Army Reserves. We are war weary. please holy virgin mary don't let the US send in troops. Let someone else take up the responsibility this time.The only people who seem to want war are hawks, neocons and the Military industrial complex. "You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1535 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Well,
Whoops, nevermind, the picture was for Paul. My apologies. (glad Percy has temporarily taken away jeers) Edited by dronester, : wrong reply
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1535 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
dronester writes: Godwin's law yep you confirmed it and it is only message 32. But when the condemnation comes from Kerry or Obama, it makes Kerry or Obama look like a million times worse than Adolf Hitler. Literally. (Since we are already talking about war criminals, bringing up Hitler would not be against Godwin's Law)Comparing Obama with Hitler is something I am use to since I live in a Tea Party conservative red state. Still waiting for the barb wire and construction of all the Death Camps to begin. dronester writes:
Oh I have enough condemnation to go around. With Obama attacking Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, etc, airspace with illegal and immoral drones, I should think your american voice would be more constructive condemning american international violations."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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1.61803 writes: Oh I have enough condemnation to go around. Good to hear 1.61803! You are a true patriot . . .
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
quote: Keep in mind this does not mean we MUST criticize the president and that we MUST oppose him at everything he does. This seems to be the opposition's stance in congress when the president is of the other party. It also seems to be a major portion of the press's stance no matter who is president regardless of what is being done.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
AZPaul3 writes: Keep in mind this does not mean we MUST criticize the president and that we MUST oppose him at everything he does. C'mon AZPaul3, I don't think Roosevelt was talking about a president's choice of a tie's colour.
AZPaul3 writes: It also seems to be a major portion of the press's stance no matter who is president regardless of what is being done. Wow, what cheese are you smoking? Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky describe the U.S. mass media as, essentially, stenographers of power. Corporate news has become an unquestioning spokesperson for the white house. if only america had corporate media that protected the civil rights, liberties, international laws and treaties, and constitutional law when a president lied or acted criminally. Instead americans live in darkness with state-protected secrets like the Obama's/NSA's wire tapping and the Pacific Free Trade Agreements that secure only the investor's rights. Sheesh, if only one corporate media giant courageously reported that Bush Jr. was lying americans into invading Iraq, maybe a million innocent deaths would have been avoided. Roosevelt wasn't talking about being oppositional ALL the time, but, surely, being vigilant, questioning authority ALL the time. An educated citizenry is essential to democracy. If you believe that Faux News, CNN, or any other corporate media is currently fulfilling a service for the people, and not the state power, you have the mindset like, sadly, 99% of americans.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I don't think Roosevelt was talking about a president's choice of a tie's colour. I wouldn't think so either. Except you misspelled color.
Wow, what cheese are you smoking? Pragmatic Liberalism ... with a mushroom/white wine sauce.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
AZPaul3 writes: Except you misspelled color. Is that what america's corporate media has told you? Colour - definition of colour by The Free Dictionary
AZPaul3 writes: Pragmatic Liberalism ... with a mushroom/white wine sauce. Pragmatic Liberalism? Sounds like a gastronomical misadventure enjoyed by less discriminating palates at one of america's fast food joints, . . . Arby's?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I tend to spell it as colour too. My grandmother was the first person to teach my how to write, she was from Canada so I tend to have some weird spelling for the US.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Just noticed this news item: UN envoy forced out of Crimea by hostile pro-Russian crowd
Looks like the only ones behaving badly in Crimea are the Russians, and the only people in any danger are non-Russians. The Ukraine should go into Simeropol (Crimea, in case there was any doubt) and restore order. --Percy
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
American voters have to be the least intelligent, ethical, and informed . . .
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
another way the republicans have weakened the US foreign diplomacy.
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