Was Jesus' crucifixion all part of God's plan?

You want a servant, I don't need one. That's not prideful just reality. You really don't read the Bible do you? What human has ever committed the barbaric acts attributed to God? But that's just plain irrelevant anyway.Only a total evil fool of a God would demand that his only son get sacrificed before he forgave humans. An God of any reason, intellect and mercy would say "Look, killing folk makes no sense. Remember Isaac? How many times must I tell you that human sacrifice does not please me and you need to stop that?It also cheapens Jesus but then cheapening Jesus seems to be a basic tenet of the Christian Cult of Ignorance. In the CCoI Jesus is nothing but a get outta hell free card. Yes. It is up to YOU to pay the bill.

Isaac.Have you ever read the Bible?

Sheesh.Isaac Phat, think. Or even read what the Bible says.

What does the evidence show Phat?Are there fewer and smaller wars than in the past?Except for the US are not most nations solving their differences through negotiation?

Again, that is NOT what the Bible says. The Bible does not say that Lucifer chose to have his own place apart from any boss.

I don't know of many other sources when it comes to the subject of Lucifer or Hell except the Bible and other fiction.Do you base your beliefs on a 14th Century political poem?

While we are alive? Yes. Of course. Who else could do it?

What the hell does that even mean?

It cheapens the message and Jesus not only had a Jewish mother, he was a Jew. No, I am responsible for what I do. The idea that Jesus took on the responsibility is simply a modern cop out, a cheap caricature of Jesus message. Human do not have the ability to fix everything but we do have the responsibility, capability and charge to try to fix everything; and only we will ever fix anything. No, again you misrepresent what I say. I say that folk that believe Jesus will fix anything at all are simply trying to justify their own failure to even try to fix anything and that it is a really sad and pitiful position that can only lead to things not getting fixed.

Can you give an example of the Holy Spirit ever doing anything except maybe knocking up a little girl? Apples are part of reality and so when someone asks me "What the hell does apple mean?" I can show them an apple. I never said we should not ask for or accept help. But can you point to an example of supernatural entities actually helping fix anything?

If that were true then all of Christianity is just a farce, a fool's play.

You really haven't read the Bible have you Phat?The Bible is filled with stories of God communicating with humans thousands of years before Jesus so to say stuff like the above is just plain silly.I do not doubt that if there is salvation it is a free gift but thinking Jesus had to die to pay for that free gift just makes God really really really stupid.

If Jesus simply gave his life and it was not taken then it is just a joke. The joke, the farce is the idea that Jesus death paid anyone's bill, anyone's debt.God has the power to forgive. But the idea of a prepaid bill is comforting and as I have said many times a fantastic con job. The conmen sell the idea that if you join their chapter of Club Christian then you have someone else to pay your debts and you don't have to work so hard for the rest of you life.What? Me Worry?But didn't we create our own debt? Did someone else create our debt?

No, not quite. I may well need to be forgiven but I do not expect Jesus to be a payment for that.I cannot of course expect anything.

As a human you should expect nothing from each other.Now as a society or a culture there may be some basic expectations.As an American citizen you may expect a few things; that your life should not be taken away violently by the State without due process, that you should have a limited freedom of speech and religion, that your belongings and property should not be taken from you by the State except through due process, that you may try to find work and if you do that that work pays a minimum wage, that you might be eligible for some limited support for a limited period of time should you not find work, that you might be eligible for some minimal form of health care should you meet certain requirements, that you not be discriminated against based on age, religion, sex, skin color or national origin and a few other expectations that vary based on location.