God’s glitch in Eden. A & E had to break God’s second command to accomplish the first

God’s glitch in Eden. A & E had to break God’s second command to accomplish the first.Eden is a rather easy myth to follow if you are not a Christian and do not see a fall but the elevation that the Jews had originally written into that story. Jews thought that man having his eyes opened and gaining God’s moral sense was a good thing.Christians do not and ignore the bible that says that that moral sense is the number one priority we are supposed to be working on. Be ye as God.God told A & E to reproduce in Genesis 1. That was for the two people made of clay. Most Christians do not take the Lilith myth as real for Genesis 1 and would rather believe that God created woman as an afterthought with Adam’s rib. Dumb to dumber.Genesis 2 shows a rather stupid omission for a God who does not seem to know that a human male needs a human female to reproduce.Yet God not only failed to give Adam a mate, a glaring idiocy by any measure, until Genesis 2 but also did not give Adam the desire to reproduce till Adam gained that desire on his own by ignoring God’s immoral command to basically remain in ignorant bliss and stupid.Adam had to eat of the tree of knowledge before he could reproduce or develop the desire for reproduction and sex. After all, desires and sex both have good and evil sides so Adam could not have done either without the knowledge of good and evil.Do you recognize the truth in A & E not being able to do God’s first command to reproduce without first eating of the tree of knowledge?Adam and Eve’s eyes had to be opened before sex. And that took the knowledge encased in the tree of knowledge.Do you recognize that that is when Adam and Eve became able to reproduce or have sex because they could not desire it until after they ate of the tree of knowledge?Regards
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C S"I don't see why A&E couldn't have had sexual desire without the knowledge of good and evil. "Yes. I see that. Let me try to walk you through the logic.Does sex and sexual desire have both a good and evil side?You will answer yes to this of course.Did A & E have any knowledge of good and evil before they ate of the tree of knowledge?No.Then they could not engage in sex as it has good and evil aspects and they did not have that knowledge.Knowledge drives desire and without knowledge of sex, they could not desire it. Right?Regards
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CoyoteExcellent. Thanks for this.Regards
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C SNow you can speak for animals the way you speak for God. Wow.Your wealth of knowledge is astounding. When did you learn to speak to animals or do you use telepathy?Let me try to walk you through the logic.Does sex and sexual desire have both a good and evil side?You will answer yes to this of course.Did A & E have any knowledge of good and evil before they ate of the tree of knowledge?No.Then they could not engage in sex as it has good and evil aspects and they did not have that knowledge.Knowledge drives desire and without knowledge of sex, they could not desire it. Right?Regards
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Dr AJust answer the questions in sequence.You will get it.Regards
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N NBecause my target are literalists.I agree that the bible cannot be read literally but fools will try." Further, there is absolutely no indication one way of the other regarding whether Adam and Eve had sexual relations prior to the serpent incident."I disagree.If they would have then they would not have suddenly covered up their genitals after their eyes were opened.That term is saying that they went from innocence to knowledge that they did not have before.Why else would they suddenly cover up?Regards
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JarNo evil side to sex. Wow.Humans doing animals is good then?You lusting after another man's woman is good?Children engaging in sex is good?Are you a pedophile?I could go on.Regards
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C SIf they do not know what sex is, then how can they desire it.Can you desire an apple without knowing what an apple is?As to animals, they know good and evil FMPOV.Let me give you this good answer from another source."You keep referencing the real world to make sense of the fiction, so let's explore the real world a little bit:"The following characteristics appear to be shared by humans and other mammals, including and especially the apes, monkeys, dolphins and whales: attachment and bonding, cooperation and mutual aid, sympathy and empathy, direct and indirect reciprocity, altruism and reciprocal altruism, conflict resolution and peacemaking, deception and deception detection, community concern and caring about what others think about you, and awareness of and response to the social rules of the group." - The Science of Good and Evil, Michael ShermerAltruism (biology) - WikipediaEvolution of morality - WikipediaKindness and Sexual Behaviours in Bonobos - video DailymotionScientist Finds the Beginnings of Morality in Primate Behavior - The New York TimesMorality: It's not just for humans - CNNIt's not just for humans, or any number of other articles, clips, snippets and tidbits that are within the reach of a quick and simple google search.Sure, we aren't quite seeing the same degree of moral complexity here, or even necessarily reflection, but we certainly are seeing the same fundamental underlying mechanisms at work. The pertinent question is: what would we get if we added human intelligence to this equation? The psychological equivalent of Adam and Eve before the fall? I don't think so. If the capacity for real moral choice wasn't there already (and in some sense I think it's clear that it actually was), I'd say it strains credibility to suggest that it would still somehow magically be absent. My point here is that if you want to stick to referencing the real world to explain the narrative, you have to deal with the resulting considerations.In fact what's funny about this is that not only do you seem to be inserting reality into the fiction, you're inserting the fiction into reality in the form of co-opting the concept of an objective moral code (as declared by the fictional character of "the creator") to contextualize issues of morality. Isn't that a bit circular? I mean really, what is "good and evil" without that contextualization? Is it essentially any different from the social morality practiced by other mammals? "Regards
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C S"Does sex and sexual desire have both a good and evil side?
You will answer yes to this of courseNo, I won't. I'll say it depends."This I gotta see.Please tell us all what your judgement depends on and where you would say no to the question.Regards
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jarNotice the question marks.
I never said you said it. P S. Only a really small mind would bother with the J.Now clarify your answer that there is no evil side to sex.Regards
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"Instinct. You can get horny and have an erection before you know what sex is."Sure but then you would not know what to do with it which was the case for A & E.Regards
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Like you did not know we were talking humans.I have no time for your games.Regards
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Sorry you do not enjoy sex then jar.Regards
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No contradiction?
You think girls are pigs!Tsk,tsk.Regards
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No. Learning they had genitals taught them that it is good manners to cover up.Did you keep running around naked in public when you learned about sexual organs but before you leaned how to use it?Of course not.Why would you then expect A & E would?I wish I could use the quote function but alas I cannot get it to work."And the fact still remains that there is no Biblical support for the idea that God commanded Adam to be fruitful before there was even an Eve and every reason to believe that Genesis does not say that God was an idiot."Yes there is. They were told to reproduce in genesis 1 and did not till being expelled from Eden. This is after God stupidly offering other animals to be Adam's helpmeat.If you do not think that that makes God an idiot then I would question your own mentality.Regards
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