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Author | Topic: Is It Bigoted To Have A Supported Opinion? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
NoNukes Inactive Member
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God merely was dealing with humans whom had already chosen to adopt and/or institute slavery. That's a real tough interpretation to defend. After removing the Hebrews from bondage and then doing 40 years of nation building out in the wilderness, you might have anticipated plenty of some opportunity to rub some of the rough edges off. Perhaps those Hebrews filtered God's word through their own ideas of right and wrong. It wouldn't be the last time that anyone did that.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I don't see anything wrong with wanting to keep your race and culture strong. That would depend on how this is enforced. If it's simply a desired suggestion by the parents like "It would be nice if you married an Indian women, son, but it's up to you" then I guess that's cool. But if it's enforced against the will of the individual like "You have no choice in the matter" then it's not cool. I mean, the whole point of the gay marriage debate is that individuals have the right to choose who they want to marry. Taking away that right, be it heterosexual marriage or gay marriage, is wrong. The individuals rights should be protected under any circumstance. To me, forcing your son or daughter to marry who you say they have to marry is just as bad as denying a gay people the right to marry their partner of choice. It comes down to denying an individual their right to choose their spouse. - Oni
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I don't see anything wrong with wanting to keep your race and culture strong.
That would depend on how this is enforced. Looks like we agree that having an opinion like that isn't bigoted.
I mean, the whole point of the gay marriage debate is that individuals have the right to choose who they want to marry. So then polygamists should be included too. Why do they seem to have been pushed to the back of the bus?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Oni writes: It comes down to denying an individual their right to choose their spouse. Parent: We would prefer that you date that Jesus fella and spend a nice quiet night at home until you marry a good girl, but if you prefer partying like a rock star, doing bongs, and having group sex, we respect that you are an adult and you are still our son! (WTF?)
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Looks like we agree that having an opinion like that isn't bigoted. Wanting to keep your race and culture strong is not automatically a bigoted opinion, I agree. But, certain actions to ensure that your race and culture are kept strong can be considered bigoted. Like not wanting, or to an extreme, not allowing someone to marry on that basis, for example. There are other ways of preserving your race and culture that don't deny someone their individual rights.
So then polygamists should be included too. Why do they seem to have been pushed to the back of the bus? I personally don't see anything wrong with polygamy, so long as it's not with underage girls. The west doesn't recognize it, I don't really know why. Be it religious prejudice or some kind of tax issue with too many people married together. But I do support their rights to polygamy. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
ent: We would prefer that you date that Jesus fella and spend a nice quiet night at home until you marry a good girl, but if you prefer partying like a rock star, doing bongs, and having group sex, we respect that you are an adult and you are still our son! (WTF?) Are those the only two options people have? Date Jesus or do bongs and have group sex? How 'bout:
quote: Isn't that better? But, in any case, partying like a rockstar, doing bongs and having group sex is fun. I don't recommend you always do it, but don't be such a prude and try it once or twice. Life seems boring otherwise. - Oni PS: Doing bongs...?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Wanting to keep your race and culture strong is not automatically a bigoted opinion, I agree. But, certain actions to ensure that your race and culture are kept strong can be considered bigoted. Like not wanting, or to an extreme, not allowing someone to marry on that basis, for example. There are other ways of preserving your race and culture that don't deny someone their individual rights. Sure, as I said:
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I personally don't see anything wrong with polygamy, so long as it's not with underage girls. The west doesn't recognize it, I don't really know why. Be it religious prejudice or some kind of tax issue with too many people married together. Yeah, I don't get it either. Why are they being left in the dust?
But I do support their rights to polygamy. Really? How so? What are you doing to include them?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I suppose that the issue is rights. To me, the issue is also responsibility.
Oni writes: I personally don't see anything wrong with polygamy, so long as it's not with underage girls. The west doesn't recognize it, I don't really know why. Be it religious prejudice or some kind of tax issue with too many people married together. But I do support their rights to polygamy. Lets put this in terms you understand. Oni: Stay away from that chocolate donut and go to the health club! Being fit and in shape is the best option for you! person attracted to sweets: I have a right to eat whatever I want! Now...does that right that they have negate your concern as to what their preferences and choices should be? Do you support their rights to gluttony? Lets say their sin was less severe...say it was vanilla wafers...in moderation.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Parent: We would prefer that you date that Jesus fella and spend a nice quiet night at home until you marry a good girl, but if you prefer partying like a rock star, doing bongs, and having group sex, we respect that you are an adult and you are still our son! After a parent said that, could anyone expect their child to see them as anything but clowns?"We prefer you date that Jesus fella.." HUH? Date Jesus? Now that's really strange. "We prefer you stuck to necrophilia until you marry a nice girl." Yup. Sage advice.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Did it ever occur to you that God may have created some of us with attraction for our own gender not to encourage procreation, nor sexual pleasure but, rather, for some deeper emotional bonding? In other words, ask yourself what the possible purposes of attraction really are. Well, if this attraction includes a deep and profound desire to fellate him, then I'd have to suppose that that was part of God's purpose too.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Lets put this in terms you understand. Oni: Stay away from that chocolate donut and go to the health club! Being fit and in shape is the best option for you! person attracted to sweets: I have a right to eat whatever I want! Now...does that right that they have negate your concern as to what their preferences and choices should be? Do you support their rights to gluttony? Lets say their sin was less severe...say it was vanilla wafers...in moderation. And let's suppose their sin was being left-handed. Society used to beat that out of children ... for their own good, of course. The welfare of the child was paramount, as was explained to them while they were being flogged.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Yeah, I don't get it either. Why are they being left in the dust? I think they get associated with pedophilia because of that one sect of Later Day Saints. Also, there might not be enough of them to make themselves be heard. It takes loud voices and action to change minds.
Really? How so? What are you doing to include them? I'd argue equally for their rights as I do for gay marriage. I don't really do much for anyone else other than that. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Lets put this in terms you understand. Oh please, make it about titties!
Now...does that right that they have negate your concern as to what their preferences and choices should be? Your individual concern for someone elses life is not negated, no matter how irrational or bigoted the concern is.
Do you support their rights to gluttony? Lets say their sin was less severe...say it was vanilla wafers...in moderation. I think it's wrong that products like that are advertised as they are to children, and in many cases are often advertised as a healthy option - such as fat free Oreos. I think people should be educated on proper eating habits. But, I support your right to do whatever you want to your body. But my concern has evidence to back it up. My concern is not irrational or bigoted. The only concern I'd have is how it affects the overall cost of healthcare system that I also need to use. If you're fucking with my money then I gotta take issue. I have been called out for being prejudice to fat people before though. We take our lumps when we present our opinions, I guess. - Oni
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Catholic Scientist writes:
The main problem with polygamy is the complxity of the contract. So then polygamists should be included too. Why do they seem to have been pushed to the back of the bus? In a two-way marriage, if one person decides to leave the contract is dissolved and the courts decide on disposition of resources, children, etc. In a three-way marriage, if one person decides to leave, what happens to the other two? As you add participants, you multiply complications. And how do you agree on adding new participants? Historically, polygamous marriages have been unequal, usually with the man hiring and firing wives at his whim. If anything was wrong with polygamy, it was the inequality.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Dr.Adequate writes: And I would disagree. I would call it idolatry.
Well, if this attraction includes a deep and profound desire to fellate him, then I'd have to suppose that that was part of God's purpose too.
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