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Author Topic:   Is It Bigoted To Have A Supported Opinion?
onifre
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Message 91 of 175 (698742)
05-09-2013 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Phat
05-08-2013 11:42 PM


Re: Communion
Idol: 3. a person or thing devotedly or excessively admired.
- someone who is adored blindly and excessively....matinee idol
heartthrob - an object of infatuation
Is this what you really think about blow jobs? Have you ever recieved one? No one is excessively admiring or blindly adoring anything. It's about providing pleasure to the person you're with.
- Oni

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Message 92 of 175 (698745)
05-09-2013 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by ringo
05-08-2013 3:02 PM


Re: Communion
Its interesting that you bring up the term "graven image."
I did a study on it once...a graven image is essentially a carved(or created,human inspired,) imagination.
As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
Oftentimes, our own human egos can essentially become graven images. When we ourselves see ourselves as higher than God and when we declare that God Himself is a product of human imagination, we essentially worship our own intellects...and deny the truth.

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hooah212002
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Message 93 of 175 (698747)
05-09-2013 9:54 AM
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05-09-2013 9:35 AM


Re: Communion
So you've given up even trying to have a discussion and are simply going to preach now? Pathetic. Can't say I'm surprised, though.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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onifre
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Message 94 of 175 (698750)
05-09-2013 10:01 AM
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05-09-2013 9:35 AM


Re: Communion
When we ourselves see ourselves as higher than God and when we declare that God Himself is a product of human imagination, we essentially worship our own intellects...and deny the truth.
Interseting - you seem to just know something is truth, have no evidence to support that claim, then claim we're the ones worhipping our own intellect.
- Oni

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Message 95 of 175 (698757)
05-09-2013 10:37 AM
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05-09-2013 10:01 AM


Re: Communion
Its also interesting how angry people get when i point that out! As for having a discussion, im still open, hooah...why would anything change based on what I asserted?

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Theodoric
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Message 96 of 175 (698758)
05-09-2013 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Phat
05-09-2013 6:45 AM


Re: Communion
Phat writes:
Then so must be cunnilingus within a hetero relationship, yes?
Outside of marriage, yes.
It must be very stressful be the moral arbiter and definer of all things christian.
Amazing how many christians are willing to take on that role personally.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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onifre
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Message 97 of 175 (698759)
05-09-2013 10:46 AM
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05-09-2013 10:37 AM


Re: Communion
Its also interesting how angry people get when i point that out!
I don't get what there is to be angry about. You just pointed out that you yourself worship your own intellect.
- Oni

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Dr Adequate
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Message 98 of 175 (698760)
05-09-2013 10:48 AM
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05-08-2013 1:29 PM


Re: Communion
And I would disagree. I would call it idolatry.
Why would you call it idolatry? I've never noticed you having this difficulty with nouns before.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 99 of 175 (698764)
05-09-2013 11:25 AM
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05-09-2013 9:54 AM


Re: Communion
That is all Phat ever wants to do. He seems to think he is in possession of the grand secret to everything.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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ringo
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Message 100 of 175 (698766)
05-09-2013 11:56 AM
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05-09-2013 9:35 AM


Re: Communion
Phat writes:
Its interesting that you bring up the term "graven image."
Actually, you brought it up - and I was poking fun at the reference.
Phat writes:
Oftentimes, our own human egos can essentially become graven images. When we ourselves see ourselves as higher than God and when we declare that God Himself is a product of human imagination, we essentially worship our own intellects...and deny the truth.
Speaking of ego, you're the one who claims to know The Truth - i.e. that there is a God and that He is above us. It's actually pretty humbling to think that there might not be a Sky Daddy to bail us out and that we might have to figure things out for ourselves.

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ringo
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Message 101 of 175 (698767)
05-09-2013 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Phat
05-09-2013 10:37 AM


Re: Communion
Phat writes:
...why would anything change based on what I asserted?
Assertion itself is the problem. A good discussion isn't just assertion and counter-assertion. When somebody tells you how you're wrong, it isn't enough to say, "Nuh-uh, I'm right."

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hooah212002
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Message 102 of 175 (698769)
05-09-2013 12:19 PM
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05-09-2013 10:37 AM


Re: Communion
Its also interesting how angry people get when i point that out!
In order for you to have pointed something out, you would have to state a fact. Stating your belief isn't pointing anything out. Second: who is angry? Why is that you religionites think any argument against your position is automatically done out of anger or that someone who disagrees with your arcane views is angry?
As for having a discussion, im still open, hooah...why would anything change based on what I asserted?
Then you would do well to do less preaching and more backing up of your arguments with evidence. You aren't having a discussion, you are preaching. The message Oni replied to had NOTHING to do with the topic. It was some weird statement of your beliefs about your imaginary friend.
Aren't you supposed to be convincing us that you aren't a bigot? You aren't doing so well. You seem to just be digging your heels in further and sticking your head deeper in the sand.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Phat
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Message 103 of 175 (698782)
05-09-2013 1:44 PM
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05-09-2013 12:19 PM


Re: Communion
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you would do well to do less preaching and more backing up of your arguments with evidence.
I am using Biblical references as evidence. The fact that you wont accept my evidence isn't on me.
Besides, all I am supporting are my beliefs.

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hooah212002
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Message 104 of 175 (698792)
05-09-2013 2:48 PM
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05-09-2013 1:44 PM


Re: Communion
Funny, then, that your last 6 messages (at least) have been about fucking jesus, blow jobs as idolatry and yet another about human egos or something. How is that biblical "evidence" that you aren't a bigot? All you've had to do is say (like I already pointed out): "I think gays are yucky". We could say "then don't be gay (you don't have a choice)" or "don't get married to a man".
OR
pull out that bible of yours and point to the verse where god says "gays are bad, mmkay? You should discriminate against them". Oh wait, you tried that and it fell flat because non-asshole christians (even the atheists here) showed you that your reading is wrong. The only person that agrees with your backwards ass reading is Faith. Think about that for a bit. Then, you could go picket with Fred Phelps. Don't want to do that? Don't agree with them? Prove it. Otherwise, your actions (based on arguments you actually are making) show you to be just as bigoted and hateful.
Peronally? i think you are actually gay and are fighting your natural urges. Usually works out that way. You really do come off afraid of natural urges with how you demonize anything sex related.

"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Straggler
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Message 105 of 175 (698793)
05-09-2013 2:53 PM
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05-09-2013 1:44 PM


Re: Communion
Phat writes:
I am using Biblical references as evidence.
But are you? Heterosexual oral sex outside of marriage is idolatry (according to you) but once married the same acts are not idolatry.
How does that coem from the bible?
Phat writes:
The fact that you wont accept my evidence isn't on me.
I think the problem is that you are picking your evidence to support your preconceived conclusion.....
Phat writes:
Besides, all I am supporting are my beliefs.
So if I said you were picking and choosing your biblical "evidence" to support your personal bigoted beliefs - Where would you suggest I have got it wrong?

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