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Author Topic:   Justification For Evolution Within Creation
sidelined
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Message 2 of 14 (69491)
11-26-2003 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Len Lisenbee
11-25-2003 9:46 AM


Len
You post this.
"You see, God exists and operates completely outside of time, at least as we know and understand it. His very Holy and absolutely omnipotent nature permits that existence."
Where do you find it said that God exists outside of time?
And this.
"Next, we have to remember that "time", at least as we understand, record, and know it, did not really exist before Genesis"
Again,where do you find this information?
"I also believe He controlled that gigantic explosion completely to cause the firmament to be "created." Yes, it is a glorious scientific fact (if still unproven) that God created the heavens and the earth, people!"
This is interesting. You have put together a strange phrase here,an unproven scientific fact.You were a criminal investigator?
I would continue however there is little point in trashing things out farther.
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"Physics is like sex. Sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it."

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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5939 days)
Posts: 3435
From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Joined: 08-30-2003


Message 5 of 14 (69564)
11-27-2003 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Len Lisenbee
11-26-2003 11:25 PM


Len
It was not the bible I was trashing. You have not answered the question. We do not know that the world was created by God.
We can assume the bible is correct and then assume that God created the world but not knowing the nature of God, as an entity seperate from the bible, we cannot make any unbiased determination of his actual ability. If the bible itself is wrong then there is no basis for believing that the God of the bible is actual.
Why do you presuppose there is a God without any real evidence?It may be that,in holding to the presupposition of God that you are putting on blinders to that real world which we find ourselves in.
There are numerous problems with the idea of omnipotence and omniscience not the least of which is how to contain that power in order to use it without limiting that power.
"For God to exist before creation, by that very fact, proves He lived and still lives outside of time as we know and understand it."
This statement makes no sense since time is the only means by which events may occur.To create requires the use of time Len so this is a meaningless statement.The words lived and lives are time bound words are they not? It is so easy to throw together whole sentences of supposedly meaningful discourse but that does not mean you have given them proper critical examination.
You still have not answered this contradiction in terms.
Yes, it is a glorious scientific fact (if still unproven) that God created the heavens and the earth, people!"
How DO you obtain an unproven scientific fact?
Top of the day to you Len.
[This message has been edited by sidelined, 11-27-2003]

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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5939 days)
Posts: 3435
From: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Joined: 08-30-2003


Message 12 of 14 (69638)
11-27-2003 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Len Lisenbee
11-27-2003 9:38 AM


Len
"Sidelined, you ask me to prove that God exists, rather than just assuming that fact."
I never asked you to prove God and since when does one assume a fact? This one can be filed under the same drawer as
"Yes, it is a glorious scientific fact (if still unproven) that God created the heavens and the earth, people!"
As for your assertions about plagues, pillars of smoke,pillars of fire,etc. please have the decency to present solid evidence.As you put forth in your first post you are a criminal investigator.
The balls in your court sport.Take care.

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