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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3997 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Cuss the cat all you like, Inadequate. It's free for all, remember. You've been always welcome to insult the moggy as much as you love anyway. He does not care for censorship. To censor an opponent in any way, shape or form is to admit defeat. You lot already handed it to the cat here. Now you can spew the usual nonsense about the Universe the size of a tennis ball without the fear of being rationally challenged by the feline.
Say whatever you like to say. Just an occasional attempt to reason in your crypto-creo defence accompanying the ad hominids would be welcome too.That is not what you are famous for in the cat's book though. That's why you hesitate between the wish to insult and the desire to squeal for moderators' help.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
If the moderators would like to make a suggestion, I'm all ears. But what should we say, what can we say, except that he is mentally handicapped and we cannot cure him? This is Maddenstein's playpen. The rules are posted at the door. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Alfred Maddenstein writes:
Who says a singularity is simple? After all, it "contains" all of the complexity of reality. Reality is always complex enough anywhere so it is not to be resolved to a primitive singularity. You seem to be setting up a simplistic strawman that you can tear to pieces and replace with your own even more simplistic ideas.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
No, what I am saying is that expansion of space is a ludicrous concept not explaining in any way the observation of the redshift of the signal. You can say that the Earth is stationary and that the Sun orbits around it. Saying stuff DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE. People once claimed the heliocentrism was ludicrous. In the words of Galileo, "And yet it moves". You need to learn the concept summarized by the phrase, "the map is not the territory".
Space is an abstraction and not an expandable fabric . . . You are going to need to supply evidence for this. Where is your evidence that space is not expanding. Also, where is your explanation for why the light from distant galaxies is redshifted?
Of course, mathematically the relation could be easily reduced to the relation of sides in a triangle. Why not a square, or an octagon?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3997 days) Posts: 565 Joined:
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Exactly, silly Tacky. Repeating idiotic stuff cannot make it into anything reasonable. The Universe cannot possibly expand for the same reasons the Earth can possibly rotate and orbit. There is outside room to the celestial object called the Earth and that is exactly what enables such motions of the planet. The Earth is an object with a surface and an outside so it is blessed with those degrees of freedom. Both the surface and an outside are the necessary conditions of its rotation and orbiting of the Sun. Moreover, the Earth unlike the Universe could have possibly expanded or exploded too, for the very same reasons.
Whereas the Universe is not such an object surrounded with an outside and therefore it is not capable of the kind of uniform outward motion of its surface that is called an expansion. Now if a trillion of monkeys may repeat for a trillion of years that in spite of all that the Universe can still somehow expand according to their theories and "evidence" they collected to persuade other apes of the veracity of those theories, none of the simian effort may change anything. All their apish talk cannot make what is physically impossible and not conceivable without contradictions into anything possible. Their collective endeavour cannot turn the Universe into an object with a surface. The contribution from the silly Tacky adding his honest drop of poo to the ocean of the quackademic crap is no great help either. The physics of it cannot change. What is not an object or a system with a surface or border surrounded by a greater than itself volume cannot be said to expand. That is final. Face it. No two ways about it, my crypto-creo friends. Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3997 days) Posts: 565 Joined:
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Macca, what exactly is that singularity you are talking about? You say it contains all the complexity of the universe to be? Now the description offered by the quacks you parrot mentions zero as the volume of the putative entity. Whereas any container implies a volume greater than zero by definition. Contradiction. Zero volume may contain nothing exactly, let alone the complexities you are running at your mouth about.
Now, mouse, either you start talking rationally, ie, remove the contradictions from your presentation or the cat will again have to rub your nose into the nonsense you are vomiting.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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You are a fucking halfwit.
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3997 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Inadequate, you need to sue your mother urgently being that dense. She gave you a black hole singularity for brains.
One side represents the maximum possible distance per reference unit. The other the minimum possible interval it takes to cover that distance. Interval is a length so is a distance too. The third side is the mix of the two so the ratio to both and since that is assumed to a constant it is the only possible conversion factor between the two other lengths. It is the reference unit. It is the ratio of space to time. How much space is contained in an arbitrary time interval is derived through it. No exceptions. Therefore when the quacks say that the Universe got 46 billion light years radius in 13.7 billion years they are crapping at their mouths and are heading for the trash bin patiently waiting for the bullshitters .
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
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Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Whereas the Universe is not such an object surrounded with an outside and therefore it is not capable of the kind of uniform outward motion of its surface that is called an expansion. Where is your support for any of these claims?
The physics of it cannot change. It can not be made up on the spot either, which is exactly what you are doing.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I'll add triangles and my mother to the list of things you don't know about.
Just out of curiosity, is there anything you do know about?
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Alfred,
AM writes: I might have overlooked someone who is also an open non-creationist here, In Message 24 I said:
quote: Apology accepted. God Bless Edited by ICANT, : No reason given."John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3997 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Inadequate, don't be shy and please enlighten the ignorant cat and the public about triangles and stuff.
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Alfred Maddenstein Member (Idle past 3997 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
That is a lot of chutzpah you are demonstrating here, Tacky. Remember, it is you lot who are making all the positive tall claims. You say that the Universe expands not me. You need to support that logically. You say the Universe was not and then it was. That again is for you to support not me.
Such bigbangist gall. Unbelievable. The dude ain't got a single leg to stand on and he pretends to be a champion runner and he crawls around demanding everybody proves to the moron they have legs. Edited by Alfred Maddenstein, : No reason given.
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