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Author Topic:   The slickest con ever perpetrated on mankind
ringo
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Message 56 of 59 (663339)
05-23-2012 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by caffeine
05-23-2012 4:57 AM


caffeine writes:
I don't think the evolution of the idea of an afterlife; nor of the idea of a clergy who can intercede for you, were ever intentional cons.
My guess is that some of the first shamans were guys with a gimpy leg (or a lazy streak) who couldn't (or didn't want to) go out hunting. They said, "Hey, you know what? You guys go out hunting and I'll stay here in the nice warm cave. No, wait, hear me out. I'll stay here in the nice warm cave and I'll talk to the gods for you. I'll ask them to send some nice juicy mammoths in your direction. They're bound to feel sorry for me on account of my bad leg (bad back) and all."
The belief in spirits and/or an afterlife may have been genuine but the idea of intercession strikes me as a con from day one.

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ringo
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Message 58 of 59 (663558)
05-25-2012 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by caffeine
05-24-2012 4:07 AM


caffeine writes:
Not all shamans are allowed to sit on their arses in camp while the other men go off hunting....
Starving yourself into a delirious state until you start hallucinating 'the spirit world' does not seem like the easiest way of tricking yourself to a share of the hunt.
I'm not suggesting that "real" sincere shamans don't exist. I'm suggesting that a con is at least as plausible for the origin. Call me cynical but I think history has had more conmen than "truth-seekers" (and truth-seekers are all too susceptible to conmen).
caffeine writes:
Perhaps, once settled societies started producing enough surplus to support a priestly class, we can start talking about cons, but even there it doesn't seem necessary.
Con games aren't "necessary" per se but they're a fact of life.
Which came first? A con to sell the Brooklyn Bridge or a real "For Sale" sign on the Brooklyn Bridge?

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