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Dr Adequate
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Message 4 of 81 (651242)
02-05-2012 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coyote
02-05-2012 10:45 PM


My question is, why don't the liberal establishment and the media (but I'm being redundant) take this kind of thing seriously?
I know this report is from WND ...
Well there you go then. Puzzle solved.
Here, by comparison, is an Israeli take on it, from ynetnews, the English language website of Yedioth Ahronoth, Israel's most-read newspaper. Note their ability to distinguish between a weblog and the Iranian government, and between a computer engineer called Forghani and Ayatollah Khamenei, who are actually two different people.
But then, they're probably part of the "liberal establishment". And they're definitely part of "the media". Unlike WND, which apparently isn't.

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Message 5 of 81 (651243)
02-05-2012 11:20 PM
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02-05-2012 11:11 PM


Re: Any response...
Any response to the threatened genocide of all Jews, everywhere ...
... to be carried out using conventional weapons and within the space of nine minutes, as threatened by a blogger who has no actual weapons.
Well, the word pffft comes to mind.

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Message 10 of 81 (651250)
02-06-2012 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Coyote
02-05-2012 11:22 PM


Just bloggers? Well that certainly gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling for those particular Iranian nutcases. No problem then, eh?
While your warm and fuzzy feeling is unjustified, you are right to say that that's not a problem.
I would have thought that calls for global genocide for an entire country and their ethnic group worldwide would have resulted in some condemnation, somewhere.
Oh, people are always calling for genocide on the Internet.
Here are Fox News viewers on the internet calling for the murder of all atheists. That doesn't particularly worry me, nor at the time did I bother to condemn it. How 'bout you?
Here are the people who want to kill all the liberals. Though that great humanitarian Rush Limbaugh wants to keep one or two for display purposes.
If I condemned all the genocidal lunatics on the Internet I wouldn't have time to look at all the porn.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 12 of 81 (651253)
02-06-2012 1:38 AM
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02-06-2012 1:17 AM


The local crazies don't have nukes.
Nor does the blogger. So far, they are on a par. Let's hear some condemnation, then.
The Iranians either have them or are about to get them.
And Iranians with nukes would scare the bejeezus out of me, unlike the Iranians with internet access.
All of this reminds me of the '30s and the apologists for the rise of Hitler and his wretched crew.
For some reason liberals never seem to take these kinds of threats seriously.
Is that meant to explain why the conservative Neville Chamberlain cravenly appeased Hitler when Hitler had a great big Army and kept invading places, or why the liberal Dr A mocked a blogger with no power whatsoever? Only those are actually different kinds of threats. 'Cos one of them isn't a real threat. Oh, and one out of me and the former leader of the Conservative Party is a liberal, see if you can work out which.
I'm willing to state that those threats of genocide against all Jews worldwide, and the threats to annihilate the state of Israel, deserve condemnation.
Are you?
Yes, certainly. What I'm not going to do is worry about these threats when uttered by someone who might as well be threatening to grow silver wings and fly to the moon. At the very worst they are straws that show which way the wind blows.
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Message 21 of 81 (651298)
02-06-2012 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Artemis Entreri
02-06-2012 9:36 AM


1. My guess would be because liberals and their media, are not fans of Israel. They "support" the Palestinians, and by proxy the Ayatollah. not really sure just a guess. I'll go ask the Jews down the hall and see what they say.
Or instead of guessing you could ask liberals what they think, but that would involve not being an idiot.
If you want to know what Jews think about it, you could always look at the Israeli newspaper to which I supplied a link. Actually being in Israel rather than down the hall, their perspective on the matter might be even more revealing.
2. because they are really secretive about their "support" for the Palestinians, since they are very politically correct, and fans of name calling, for them to publicly share this news, may lead some one to categorize them with the black mark of anti-semitism, which they prefer to save for others.
That's a very broad characterization of "elsewhere". Are you quite sure that that applies to every media organization in the world except WND?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 40 of 81 (651339)
02-06-2012 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Coyote
02-06-2012 1:26 PM


So no, it is not just a conspiracy theory passed on by Whirled Nuts Daily.
The story you cited from WND is just blather from WND.
If you'd started an OP saying: "Should we be worried about Iran?" then quite probably everyone would have said YES. But you didn't. You posted a piece of idiocy from WND and then lashed into "liberals" and "the media" for not being equally dishonest and retarded. Drawing people's attention to an imaginary threat and then lambasting them for not taking it seriously is not a good way to draw their attention to a real threat, no matter how many conservative brownie points it wins you.
But of course the conservative brownie points are what matters, aren't they? You don't want to ask questions like: "Do you support Israel's right to exist" or "Do you think all the Jews should be killed", or "Do you support Iranian theocracy", because you know perfectly well what answers you'd get. Instead you need a wedge issue, such as: "Do you think that this article from WND is ridiculous", because liberals, who are sane, will say: "Yes, completely ridiculous", and then conservatives like AE, who are nuts, can prance around and pretend that that means that liberals support the Ayatollah. Getting everyone to agree about Iran would be easy. You have set yourself the more difficult task of pretending that there is a difference, so that you can make this into a partisan issue. Fortunately for you, there is a difference between liberals and conservatives, though not about Iran. It's the difference between the sane and the mad.
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Message 48 of 81 (651405)
02-07-2012 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Straggler
02-07-2012 11:48 AM


Re: You seem to have refuted the premise of your own opening post.
You seem to have refuted the premise of your own opening post.
But that's a report on real things actually happening. What he wants to know is, why didn't the liberal media join WND in pretending that a random blog by a nobody was a statement by the Ayatollah?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 61 of 81 (651727)
02-09-2012 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Artemis Entreri
02-09-2012 3:03 PM


Re: Iran has the second largest community of Jews in the MIddle East...
At times Spain was anti-Jewish, did that mean that there were no Jews in spain?
Actually, that is what it meant very shortly afterwards.
When Ferdinand and Isabella expelled the Jews from Spain, the Ottoman Empire received them with open arms. The Caliph of the time made some remark along the lines of (quote from memory): "This Ferdinand is a whimsical fellow, he impoverishes his country and enriches mine."
At times Germany was anti-Jewish, did that mean there were no jews in Germany?
Well again, yes, it did, pretty much. This is why the Holocaust happened, and how America got Albert Einstein and Emmy Noether.
You also ask about Russia, I really have no idea. However, the point stands, if a country is really anti-semitic, they do have the option of killing or expelling their Jews.

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