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Author Topic:   Can sense organs like the eye really evolve?
Dr Adequate
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Message 199 of 242 (639120)
10-28-2011 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by Robert Byers
10-28-2011 4:56 AM


To imagine other kinds of eyes would require a imagination greater then mine.
So, the actual diversity is greater than anything you can imagine ... but you still like to imagine that evolution should have produced more diversity, even though you can't actually imagine this diversity itself.
If light is the only objective for seeing then why shouldn't nature in its brilliance have come up with thousands of options to manipulate light.!
Suggest some of these thousands of ways. Oh, right, you can't. Because while you can imagine that thousands exist, you can't imagine what even one of them might be like.
This is pathetic.
However, at least we have got some truth out of you. The diversity of eyes in nature is greater than anything you could possibly imagine.
If you guys think there is great diversity and have so many examples then you FIRST.
Yes, us first. By a considerable distance. See post #58, which I made two-and-a-half weeks ago, for a brief introduction to the diversity of eyes in nature.
Now we, of course, are limited to drawing our examples from reality. You, on the other hand, were limited only by what you could make up, something that creationists are usually good at. But you've got nothing.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 201 of 242 (639135)
10-28-2011 9:32 AM


No Substitute
What, Robert's gone? But where else will I find an opponent with his matchless qualities as a debater?
I suppose in principle I could pull words at random out of a hat, but I don't have a hat.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 210 of 242 (639292)
10-30-2011 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Portillo
10-30-2011 12:32 AM


Re: Please Answer the Question
I didnt know that Stephen Jay Gould was a creationist.
He's not. In fact, here's what he had to say about creationists and their shameless lies about and cherry-picking of his words:
Transitions are often found in the fossil record. [...] Faced with these facts of evolution and the philosophical bankruptcy of their own position, creationists rely upon distortion and innuendo to buttress their rhetorical claim. If I sound sharp or bitter, indeed I amfor I have become a major target of these practices. [...] Since we proposed punctuated equilibria to explain trends, it is infuriating to be quoted again and again by creationistswhether through design or stupidity, I do not knowas admitting that the fossil record includes no transitional forms. Transitional forms are generally lacking at the species level, but they are abundant between larger groups.
What does it say about creationism that, when you guys want a reputable scientist to prop up your silly fantasies, the best you can do is someone who's said almost in as many words that anyone who does so is either a liar or a fool?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 214 of 242 (639349)
10-30-2011 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Portillo
10-30-2011 2:06 AM


Silly fantasy indeed. Maybe the ancestors were not fossilized, even though there are billions of fossils.
Or maybe the paleontologist Stephen Gould knew more about paleontology than you do when he wrote: "Transitions are often found in the fossil record."

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Dr Adequate
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Message 223 of 242 (639593)
11-02-2011 9:54 AM
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11-02-2011 5:25 AM


Gould is right when he talks about sudden appearance and stasis.
Is Gould right when he says this?
Transitions are often found in the fossil record. [...] Faced with these facts of evolution and the philosophical bankruptcy of their own position, creationists rely upon distortion and innuendo to buttress their rhetorical claim.

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Message 227 of 242 (640707)
11-12-2011 12:58 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Portillo
11-11-2011 11:44 PM


Re: Eyes, Remember?
There is no such thing as a simple eye.
Yes there is. A simple eye is an eye which is not compound.
Despite evolution claiming that trilobites are primitive creatures ...
Where is this claimed?
100 eyes on each side of its head.
Apart from the eyeless varieties, such as Agnostina.
If different types of eyes evolved independently, how can they be traced to a common ancestor?
Who said they could? According to biologists, the eye evolved several times independently.
It also doesnt make sense to observe different types of eyes in nature and claim that they present an evolutionary sequence.
That sentence needs the word "because" in it, followed by a further clause.

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