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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
I have no credible response for that one. Except that chicken are foul.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Someones been reading my posts:
'..These aren't scientists. They are religious fanatics for whom evolution must be true so that they can explain to themselves why they are here, without God. (It's an accident!)' quote:
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Even given that Coulter's job description is basically "shameless liar", she could have done better than that.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3699 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Shameless liars do not include names and references as their evidence. Shameless liars forget to include pivotal verses and other shameless onlookers do not point out their errors. Shameless liars also charge any directly related evidence as off topic.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Shameless liars do not include names and references as their evidence. Shameless liars forget to include pivotal verses and other shameless onlookers do not point out their errors. Shameless liars also charge any directly related evidence as off topic. Sadly, that may be the best defense of Ann Coulter ever written. What it lacks in content and coherence it makes up for in brevity.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Chuck writes: Wonderful. You can start by picking up a Bible (some subjective evidence for god(s) and test it out. Also there are many books written by wonderful christians that know this truth. Pick a few up. Prayer is good too. Some books will help you pray in a way that is like you were talking to your parents. It's easy. Church too, that's a good place for subjective evidence. Lot's of people to validate this truth. You have your hands full for the weekend. SONday find a good morning service and let me know what the Pastor talked about. Huntard writes: Muslim down the street writes:Wonderful. You can start by picking up a Qu'ran (some subjective evidence for god(s) and test it out. Also there are many books written by wonderful Muslims that know this truth. Pick a few up. Prayer is good too. Some books will help you pray in a way that is like you were talking to your parents. It's easy. Mosque too, that's a good place for subjective evidence. Lot's of people to validate this truth. You have your hands full for the weekend. SOMEday find a good morning service and let me know what the Imam talked about. Huntard writes: Now, which one to choose, and why? Well, why not just ask these folk:
Islam, SVM News, 1 January, 2007: Millions of Muslim converts to Christianity celebrated Christmas throughout the world. According the reports of the various missionary organizations and news medias. The Salem Voice Ministries evangelizing Muslims in India and many other Muslim nations. There are about 500 evangelists ministering among Muslims in different African, Middle East and Asian countries. A vast number of Muslims finding the truth and attaining Salvation of Jesus Christ day by day. 'More Muslims converted to faith in Jesus Christ over the past decade than at any other time in human history. A spiritual revolution is underway throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia. As a result, a record number of ex-Muslims are celebrating Christmas this year, despite intense persecution, assassinations, and widespread church bombings'. Islam Watch - "Millions of Muslims Converting to Christianity" by Salem Voice Now, your project is to provide the same, only in reverse. For example, Christians converting to Islam. Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given. Edited by Chuck77, : Fixed quotes for clarification.
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Just being real Member (Idle past 3966 days) Posts: 369 Joined: |
RE- I've looked at his previous posts, and it turns out that I have proved him wrong before. I don't see that I did so in a "colorful" way, but I guess I'm just a colorful guy. Perhaps I owe you this much. It's actually been a year ago or more. I had another screen name at the time. You said some very unkind and degrading things to me and the sysop at the time allowed it to continue. My faith teaches me that with all that is in me, to dwell at peace with those I interact with. I have no ill will or hard feelings towards you. However to "dwell at peace" with you requires that I no longer interact with you. I wish you only the best and pray you have a long and healthy life. As for your PhD. I wasn't aware you held that title. Therefore out of respect for the title, I will resume use of doctor in referring to you. regardsBrad
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. As I don't know what username you were posting under, I shall console myself with the possibility that you were asking for it.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2326 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Chuck77 writes: Now, your project is to provide the same, only in reverse. For example, Christians converting to Islam. Well, I've got this:
quote: Converting to Islam in the U.S. Following 9/11 , 34000 embraced Islam !, why they converted to Islam For starters. I'm sure I could dig up more. Again, who to believe?
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4453 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
IamJoseph,
Do you even think about what you type?
I suspect they do so because they are fed up with the dominating theologies, which they never confront directly, instead smashing the only one which is scientific. Who is not confronting religion directly. This forum is designed to do just that. The Evolutionist side confronts the creationist side directly and the creationist side confronts the evolutionist side directly.
I have found the objections and charges made of the Hebrew bible totally fake in a blatant, shameless way. Its become like a psychosis: of billions of evidential stats not seen anywhere else they will pick a grain of sand which they say is not a real grain of sand, and also disregard every fake grain in two other religions. One is a bad career move the other is a good one with a 5 minute glory period. Go ahead - deny it. Deny what exactly. What in this inane rant are you accusing everyone of doing? As for this... The Hebrew Bible "billions of evidential stats not seen anywhere else" Do you know how many a billion is? Its this many : 1,000,000,000 Thats a lot. you know how many words there are in the Hebrew Bible? its this many : 773, 682 From your statement, there are 999,226,318 more 'evidential stats' than there are words in the Hebrew Bible. And they are statistics not found in any other source. Come on IamJoseph, even you must see how fucking stupid that suggestion is. Please tell me you can see that. A child would be able to see that.I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot "Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Chuck writes: Now, your project is to provide the same, only in reverse. For example, Christians converting to Islam. Huntard quotes writes: CAIR chairman Nihad Awad told the Saudi paper 'Ukaz that "34,000 Americans have converted to Islam following the events of September 11, and this is the highest rate reached in the U.S. since Islam arrived there." Sorry, that is NOT what we are talking about here, come on dude, if you're going to debate this atleast try and play by the rules? I didn't say Americans and you know it. I said CHRISTIANS who converted to Islam. Jesus professing Christians who have converted to Islam. What you provided is not even close to what we are talking about and i'll go ahead and assume you concede to my point. Nice try tho. Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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Just being real Member (Idle past 3966 days) Posts: 369 Joined: |
Brad: Now if they knew they had concocted the resurrection story, why on earth would they endure such suffering to the point of death? Coragyp: Indeed. That's up there with nineteen men hijacking four airplanes and flying them into buildings (and the ground) and their own firey deaths. There is no way they would have done that if Mohammed had made up any of the Quran. It's interesting that when you re-quoted what I said you only quoted the bold portion and omitted the portion that actually gave it context. I have driven the point home already that there is a big difference between a person dying for what they first hand witnessed, and your regular "run of the mill martyr" dying because they think it wins them brownie points with Allah. The fact that you have chosen to not only ignore this point, but to even go so far as to disingenuously misquote me, has told me all I need to know about trying to continue to have a reasonable conversation with you.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 114 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Do you get it? Probably not. But that is your problem, not mine. I can only explain things to you as best i can. If you choose to ignore the simple explanation, what point is there in continuing to show different examples of how you are incorrect. It is an interesting conversation simply because, if for nothing else it demonstrates that you believe you cannot be wrong in any circumstance
If the reciever does not get the response, for any reason, it does not mean that the response is not given. I will give you a really simple example. I just went outside and screamed 'Dawn Bertot does not get it' as loud as possible. I was willing to give that response. I was able to give that response. You did not receive that response. This means that communication failed. The response was given.I was not unable to respond Butterfly, the key words that relate to reality are unable and unwilling, not communication and the others you provided. Each term has to relate the situation at hand. I noticed you agreed that the words have a meaning to both parties and they must relate to the scenerio at hand Here is another example. Lets say I go out and make a scientifiky attempt to reach other life forms in the universe. I COMMUNICATE but no one recieves the message. In this instance it does not matter whether they recieve my communication or I responded, or are I am unable from thier perspective, I am UNABLE to accomplish my task, irregardless of communication, response or anyother term you wish to throw at it Hence it does not matter if I am able and willing as you indicate in your examples, I am UNABLE to accomplish my task. That is how the Star Trek example applies in that situation Hence your distinction concerning words makes no difference. The task is the goal, I and they are UNABLE to accomplish our task. Now do you get it
I was willing and able to respond But UNABLE to accomplish your task. That is how and where the distinction must be made. The other ship was unable to accomplish thier task of communication even thought they responded and the enterprise was unable to recieve it, hence everyone was unable to accomplish thier task
Communication is different from response. Communication does require and interaction between two (or more). A response can be undetected by the target. That is the key difference you are missing. These two words are irrelevant when the the over all purpose or task is taken into cosideration, as I have now demonstrated both by argument and example. I dont care if I communicate, I dont care if I respond to aliens, If they dont here me I am UNABLE TO ACCOMPLISH MY TASK. This is the context of Mr Spocks statement. The other ship is unable to accomplish reaching the enterprise Think of the overall purpose and task at hand when using the terms, UNABLE and UNWIILING, not what happens inside that context. The terms have to inculcate the whole of the scenario
This is an example of communication. Which is different from a response. It is irrelevant when the overall purpose or goal is taken into consideration, as you now see, by what I have indicated and demonstrated Is the light bulb coming on yet? Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Chuck writes: I said CHRISTIANS who converted to Islam. Jesus professing Christians who have converted to Islam. Have you tried just doing the obvious thing of typing something like 'christian convert Islam' into Google? I did this and got the following sort of thing: Islamic Converts Link writes:
Below a collection of converts' stories which are enlightening, heart-warming and inspiring in equal measure. These new Muslims come from a variety of backgrounds. They include intellectuals, scientists, priests, Rabbis, missionaries, and artists, young and old, famous and laypersons, from around the globe. Most of these converts are former Christians or from a Christian background. These testimonies only represent a drop in the ocean however, since every day hundreds of people convert to Islam all around the world. Amongst the most powerful and thought-provoking testimonies are those of former Christian priests and missionaries who have discovered the one true religion. This is a tremendous challenge to Christian missionaries.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 114 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Straggler writes
I did this and got the following sort of thing: Islamic Converts Link writes: Below a collection of converts' stories which are enlightening, heart-warming and inspiring in equal measure. These new Muslims come from a variety of backgrounds. They include intellectuals, scientists, priests, Rabbis, missionaries, and artists, young and old, famous and laypersons, from around the globe. Most of these converts are former Christians or from a Christian background. These testimonies only represent a drop in the ocean however, since every day hundreds of people convert to Islam all around the world. Amongst the most powerful and thought-provoking testimonies are those of former Christian priests and missionaries who have discovered the one true religion. This is a tremendous challenge to Christian missionaries. Really Straggler, lets see this list, with the confessionals on the ocean of people that have converted. Perhaps like many things this is greatly exaggerated. Would you happen to have the visual evidence that supports this claim Dawn Bertot
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