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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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after reading CS Lewis. I have never thought Lewis' arguments were particularly compelling. Actually they seem quite simplistic to me. I am not sure I would go as far as this guy(looks like it is John Loftus).
C.S. Lewis was an idiot But I think he makes some valid arguments against Lewis. Here is a more scholarly refutation of Lewis and his arguments.
C.S. Lewis and the Search for Rational ReligionBy John Beversluis Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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I see Catholic Scientist wants to be the EVC policeman.
The post was an aside from the current topic. All I wanted to do was let GDR know that he should examine some criticisms of Lewis. He might want to know what others think of the arguments presented by Lewis. Since he repeatedly mentions his love for Lewis, I felt it was more than appropriate to point out that there are major flaws with the arguments that Lewis uses.
Those links which I have followed did not support your point in any discernible way, so if you think they support your point of view then it is incumbent upon you to explain how. If you followed the links you would see that these people also thought that the arguments put forth by Lewis were not very good arguments. If you want to discuss Lewis start a thread. I personally do not feel a need to pursue the subject more. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
I originally had read a critique of Lewis by Loftus a few months ago. I did not critically read this to notice that it is a slam on Loftus.
Loftus wrote a critique of "CS Lewis and the Search for Rational Religion" on Amazon that was picked up by a few sites. I was taken in by the attempt at parody. I thought it was the same or something similar. My bad. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Can you not understand what you read or are you just a liar for Jesus? Quote mining is as low as spamming.
This is what the link you provided says. Here is the headline
quote: That one line destroys your interpretation. You had to have read it in order to get to the part you posted. More from the article
quote: And what is the next line after what you posted?
quote: Do you really think we will not look at the sources? Now that I have destroyed your credibility you may apologize to everyone here for your dishonesty and quote mining. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Maybe you should learn more about Buddhism.
quote: Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
I'm fully aware that Buddhism does not worship a god(s) as such. Wrong! Did you read the wiki article at all? Here are a couple very relevant sentences.
quote: How can you then say?
I'm fully aware that Buddhism does not worship a god(s) as such.
Emphasis added That is a completely false statement and highly insulting to Buddhism. You seem to have some perverse need to express Buddhism through your Christian view of what a religion should be. As far as Buddhism is, that is completely wrong. This whole reply is disingenuous at best. You even quote mine yourself. Lets look at the full sentence.
All the Abrahamic religions see Jesus as at least a prophet, Buddhism shares His message of love and peace etc. In other words we would appear to be gradually narrowing in on a consistent idea of God. You are using the beliefs of Buddhist as your "evidence" for a supposed coming together of ideas about a god. If Buddhist don't believe in a god, how do you get by in using them as evidence for the existence of god? I have a message of peace and love also. Do you truly believe that only believers in your god or any other god are the only people that believe in peace and love? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
The first question of how many claimed to see it? Over 500 people claimed they saw Jesus alive again for a period of 40 days after the crucifixion.
Names of these witnesses please. At least can you provide the original source that lists the 500.
They were exposed to the most extreme form of interrogation possible, and they and their families were threatened to be tortured to death if they didn't recant their claims.
Please show your source for this claim. Oh is your source for all of this your bible? Seems a little lacking in sourcing.
They chose death. Since its unlikely you would ever find that many people willing to die for what they knew to be false (martyrs make terrible liars) this would seem to eliminate the possibility of collusion.
Even if what you claim happened, who has said that they knew it was false. Just because a group of people believe something does not make it true. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
But be cautioned: pigs eat anything, even their own crap and their offspring, Ever heard of a chicken? Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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I said more muslims are converting to Christinaity than Christians are converting to Islam. How many times do you need this repeated? Apperantly many many times. Where is the evidence? Anecdotes are not evidence.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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You won't provide evidence but you give a negative rating for a call for evidence? You really don't understand how this works do you.
Yeah, you are going to make a real good admin. Please some evidence.
I said more muslims are converting to Christinaity than Christians are converting to Islam. How many times do you need this repeated? Apperantly many many times. Where is the evidence? Anecdotes are not evidence. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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