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Author Topic:   Im New here. Evolutionist or Creationist site?
Taz
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Message 4 of 37 (618819)
06-06-2011 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Chuck77
06-06-2011 2:20 AM


If anything, this forum is a perfect demonstration of The Universal Law of Accumulation.
Over the years, I have found that one of the things creationists have trouble understanding about evolution is the accumulative effect of it. Let's do some comparisons.
God poofed everything into existence versus the universe came into existence via an expansion of space-time and regions more dense than others accumulated matter into what we now know as stars and eventually planets over billions of years.
God poofed all life into existence versus random mutation filtered by natural selection accumulated into the variation in life we see today.
God poofed your house and bank account into existence versus you worked to build up your wealth and possession.
God poofed you into existence as is versus you started out as a fertilized egg and accumulated your cells to where you are today.
The point is The Universal Law of Accumulation is observed every minute of every day of your life. It should be common sense. Nothing in existence just poofed into existence.
This forum is a ferfect demonstratino of this Law because this forum and all its members (heavily on the science side) didn't just poof into existence. Percy started out with a few lines of code and then everything accumulated. Over time, natural selection weeded out all the creationist crackpots (which make up the overwhelming majority of creationists) and we now have a forum dominated by the scientifically minded.

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Taz
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Message 14 of 37 (619157)
06-08-2011 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by tesla
06-08-2011 3:57 PM


Re: Creation/Evolution?
tesla writes:
Over the years I've found one great fault of posters overconfidence in known science.
Over confidence? Is this a joke? You can't tell the difference between confidence after years of study and research and over confidence after a couple creationist sermons?
Nothing that exists could exist: unless something first existed; to become what is now. The first of all: must be; existence.
And therefore, I must conclude that your god was created by a cosmic turtle, which in turn was created by the spaghetti monster, which in turn was created by the tooth fairy, which in turn was created by santa clause, etc.
The scientific opinions are that there was no creator because there is no scientific proof or evidence to show he cares about ‘man’; therefore he does not exist.
I'm curious. What branch of scientific research are you involved in to allow you such insight into the nature of science?
I'm asking because in my branch of research we have absolutely no opinion whatsoever to the existence or non-existence of a creator.

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Taz
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Message 16 of 37 (619160)
06-08-2011 9:33 PM
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06-08-2011 9:30 PM


Re: Creation/Evolution?
tesla writes:
Those creation sermons have been taught and heavily studied first before all things--in any depth--and is a common belief of most.
People want to know the truth, and on some level they trust science. If science is selling another tooth fairy bullshit religion like any other religion being practice I want more cooperation in discovering that truth.
Call it science call it church; call it a figment of your imagination. 75% or more of the planet think it’s the most important thing to life. So either sell us honesty or admit you’re just another bullshit religion with no real answers.
You say all of this as if the validity of scientific research exists in a vacuum.
In my book, what's important is the results.
Can you give us at least a dozen things that resulted from creationist research that have benefitted humanity? Actually, a couple should do.

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Taz
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Message 18 of 37 (619163)
06-08-2011 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by tesla
06-08-2011 9:44 PM


Re: Creation/Evolution?
tesla writes:
So what does science have to offer for this?
Since our ancestors survived without the internet, you should unhook your internet connection and stop pestering us.

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Taz
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Message 21 of 37 (619166)
06-08-2011 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by subbie
06-08-2011 10:16 PM


Re: Creation/Evolution?
I'll start.
(1) Anti-biotics - this direct result of scientific research has saved literally hundreds of millions of people since its invention.
(2) Genetic engineering - Food production has increased by several orders of magnitude to feed the booming population of the world.
There, I just gave 2 examples from areas in science I know almost nothing about.
Surely, tesla can give us a few examples of creationist research that have benefitted mankind.

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