jar
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mike the wiz writes: I don't think I should have to explain the obvious, but as Christians, we take the whole bible as the inerrant inspired Word of God, as a whole and we interpret the bible, by the bible, in a complete whole context. Basically, we take it all as true, and any potential "contradictions" we deem as anomolies that come via contextual or syntax or linguistics, or misunderstandings missapplied by Greek thinking. Not quite. It is misrepresentation to imply that your position is some "Christian" position because that is simply untrue. It may be the position of your particular Chapter of Club Christian but certainly not the position of all Christianity.
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Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 43 of 56 (611629)
04-09-2011 2:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 42 by iano
04-09-2011 2:31 PM
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Re: Inspiration is not Dictation
iano writes: purpledawn writes: Not necessarily. If that were true, then there wouldn't be or have been any disagreements amongst those inspired to write, speak, or teach. Whether there are or aren't disagreement is a matter of interpretation. I was more interested in how an inspired person could be speaking other than God's opinion - in the technical, how-could-this-be sense rather than depending on interpretation to simply state so. IF there was indeed disagreement (which is quite a different thing to an interpretation concluding so) AND the various parties were inspired in what they said THEN God would appear to be giving contradictory messages. Else they weren't inspired in the bits where they disagree. Which is it (if not some other possibility)? By not understanding, by misrepresentation, by forgetfulness, ... The person may well be wrong or totally misunderstand God's opinion.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 48 of 56 (611657)
04-09-2011 6:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 46 by iano
04-09-2011 6:18 PM
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Re: Inspiration is not Dictation
iano writes: jar writes: Even inspired to write fiction. Inspired by God .. to write fiction. I think I'll stick to waiting for purpledawn to clarify her position. Of course to write fiction, folk tales, mythology. The Garden of Eden myth, the Genealogies, Flood myths, Creation myths, the Exodus saga, the Conquest of Canaan myths, Ruth, ...
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Message 53 of 56 (611673)
04-09-2011 7:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 51 by sac51495
04-09-2011 7:29 PM
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sac51495 writes: GDR,
God has created us with free will and to treat the Bible as a book that would have us follow without question a set of laws negates our ability to follow God, as seen through the lens of the resurrected Jesus who we are told is the word of God. We are to follow out of love not fear. As Jesus himself said,
"For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:18-19 I always find it funny when folk pull something like that out of context. It certainly diminishes and trivializes the Bible and does the author of Matthew a great disservice. That is pulled out of a much longer passage where Jesus goes on to explain that it is your behavior, not belief even in Jesus, that is significant. The rest of Matthew 5:
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20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. 21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. 27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 31It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. 33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. 38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also. 41And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. 43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
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