Right Wing Cartoonist vs Reality

I already know a number of social conservatives who have taken a 180 degree turn on the health care reform. Before they lost their jobs, they were convinced that the health care reform was bad. When I asked them what they know about it, they couldn't say anything. Well, now that they have lost their jobs and they or their families have run into some health issues, the health care reform is the only thing keeping them afloat. And almost overnight, they changed from calling the health care reform a communist/muslim take over of America to calling it a godsend.Specifically, this one guy I know spent all his savings buying as many guns and ammo as he could when Obama won the election. Why? Because he was convinced Obama was going to ban guns on a federal level. Now that he's jobless, crippled by a degenerative spinal disease, and is struggling with his wife to raise their 2 daughters, obamacare is the only thing keeping him from being rejected outright by insurance company. He's sold all his guns save 1. And guess what, his family is surviving on federal aid programs, the same programs he was condemning just a couple years ago. I've been watching in amazement the last few years how this guy has changed into a completely different person. He was a tea party member no less. Now he's just someone who needs help. Sad...Like the saying goes, everyone is a conservative until they can't afford to stay afloat anymore. It sickens me that conservatives are so selfish and uncaring toward their fellow citizens, the exact opposite of what their damn jesus supposedly taught them.Added by edit.Or take my ultra-conservative brother, for example. He's an engineer. He recently voted democrat because the republican he supported promised to lower corporate taxes by halting all state run construction projects. He even got a notice from his company that they might face massive lay-offs if construction projects are halted.Again, this demonstrates perfectly the selfish nature of the conservative movement. Threaten their job or their health care and they will turn liberal overnight. Hell, if they really are trying to preserve the sanctity of marriage, they'd be pushing for a law to ban divorces instead of banning gay marriage... and 50-60% of them wouldn't end up in divorce... and their idol Rush Limbaugh wouldn't be going through his 4th divorce.Edit again.I leave you with the following link.http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/...cation/income&wealth.htmEdit again.Reminds me of that southpark episode about future immigrants coming back to the present to find jobs. One moment a liberal bleeding heart commie was all accepting of the people from the future. The next he's all redneck because they took his job. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

The point I was trying to make is it reveals how selfish and unchrist-like the conservatives are. I'm neither hispanic nor gay. And I don't need to be in order to realize it's not a good thing to oppress these two groups. If what it takes is for it to hit home in order for these christian oppressors to realize it's not a good thing to oppress people, are they really christ-like they claim to be?Why am I bringing religion into this? Because I'm sick and tired of the bullshit that comes with religion. They want to ban gay marriage and adoption even though they claim to promote family value. They go to Africa (ravaged by AIDS) and preach against condom use even though they claim to value human life. The catholic church never excommunicated a single member of the 3rd reich, and yet they are excommunicating women who want to become priests. And ask any religious person and chances are he wants more tax cuts for the rich even if it means taking away social security and financial aid for students.It sickens me that religionists are fighting so hard against human rights rather than promote them.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Do you agree or not agree that Americans wear jeans? I don't wear jeans, and I know plenty of people who don't wear jeans. Just because you can find a hand full of people who don't wear jeans doesn't mean you can ignore the vast and overwhelming majority that do wear jeans.And no, I don't believe for one minute that the so-cons are a minority among conservatives. Every single time an issue like gay marriage gets put up for vote, it always got struck down by popular vote. So, either the conservatives who are not so-cons don't vote or you guys aren't significant enough for us to care. Either way, you don't matter.It's like pointing out people like Schindler and claim that the nazis were angels because you were able to find a hand full of nazis who helped Jews. Please spare me the BS.

When was the last time you heard of a conservative group other than GOProud advocating for gay rights? I don't mean just by word of mouth, I mean actually campaigning for the rights of an entire group of US citizens. I sure can't think of any, and I keep watch for these things. Even GOProud is having trouble getting accepted by their peers.We're not painting anyone anything. You guys do it to yourselves. The fact that people like Rush Limbaugh has managed to capture much of the conservative movement says a lot about how insignificant you are to your peers.

Again, why do I care that you guys exist if you don't do anything to help support gay rights or promote science? I do know you guys exist. I just don't care you guys exist just like I don't care that some sheeps are born black. Why? Because you guys don't matter.I'll make you a deal. You guys get gay marriage to pass by popular vote somewhere and I'll start caring that you guys exist. Until then, you guys are just black sheeps, nothing more.

Ok, then let's talk science. You get the conservative base to stop denying global warming and we'll talk some more.

There is nothing wrong with generalization as long as it portrays accurately the majority of a group.For example, I have never met a single gay person that likes to watch sport. And after years of talking to gay people, I have never heard of a gay person who likes to watch sports. Yet, I know they exist because there are gay sports bars out there. In this particular case, I think it is fairly safe to assume that gay people don't like to watch sports even though there are undoubtedly some who do.How about this one. Liberals are pro-choice. I for one am a debout pro-lifer. Yet, I would describe myself as liberal. There is nothing wrong with generalizing that liberals are pro-choice because the number of liberals who are pro-choice outnumber the liberals who are pro-life by a kazillion or so.If we aren't allowed to generalize, then we could never ever make any statement about any group whatsoever. We could never make the statement that Americans speak English because there are some who don't. We could never make the statement that dogs bark because there are undoubted some out there who don't. We could never make the statement that men have penises because there are undoubted some out there who don't.Do you see how ridiculous this politically correct culture of anti-generalization is? When we generalize, we are not saying ALL people in a given group is such and such. We are, however, state that the large majority of the group is such and such therefore we don't need to waste our time and breath say "the large majority..." If enough people in group x like lobster, then we might as well say people in group x like lobster.

Um... you guys are committing the fallacy of the middle man.I've already proven that the majority of conservatives are evil. The fact that they put Boehner in congress, someone who has shamelessly passed out bribe checks from the tobacco companies to other congressmen, is proof of this.You guys keep blaming that the majority of conservatives are moderates, and yet voting results continue to prove you wrong. Let's step back to reality, shall we? I know what you guys are saying are more politically correct, but are you willing to sacrifice reality and truth for the sake of political correctness?PS - Don't be surprised if I don't respond to you in days. I've been practically living in my lab. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

This line of yours says it all. Why should we even care what all those bastards think if they don't vote? Like their opinion really matter in the debate... Where did I say ALL this or that? I said voting and polling results have consistently proven that the conservatives (those who vote anyway) are oppose to progress in regard to human rights. Women's rights, black people's rights, hispanics, etc. all have been opposed by the majority of the right. Are you seriously going to deny this? Wait, do you doubt this? All you have to do is google. Boehner admitted this. What are you talking about? I never liked Obama. Yes, they are directly responsible for all the evil their fellow conservatives have done. They could have stopped them but they didn't. Again, why do their opinions matter if they don't say anything? I don't give a fuck if most conservatives support human rights. If they don't vote, then they don't matter.

If you read one of my earlier posts in this thread, I described this man I know who in the course of only a couple years changed from a hard liner right wing advocate to a liberal commie all because he lost his job and developed a spinal degenerative disease. The only thing holding his family up are the very federal programs he condemned just a couple years ago. And the only thing keeping him from becoming outright a cripple is Obama's healthcare reform, something that he very vocally hated with a passion just a couple years ago.Off the top of my head, I can name half a dozen people who have been affected by the economic hard times we're facing and have converted because they have been left behind and abandoned by the very system they used to advocate. Even my brother has taken a 180 degree turn because the republican candidate he supported promised to halt all construction projects in order to give more tax cuts for the rich in our state. Almost immediately, my brother's company prepared to face possible massive layoffs of its engineers.This is what it takes to make rightwingers see why conservative ideals are evil and unempathetic toward people. All it takes is put these right wingers in a situation where their livelihood could be compromised and see how long they'll keep advocating giving the rich more tax breaks at the cost of the middle and lower income brackets.Bill Maher's this week's show (which I managed to catch a glimpse of when I came home from work late tonight) suggested that we should have a new reality tv where every week we pick up a wall street executive and drop him in a poor neighborhood. I know how these executives will change because I've seen it happened to half a dozen people I know. Almost overnight, my brother, a devout right wing christian conservative, changed his stance because the republican candidate whom he supported was going to make him lose his job in order to give tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires. And over the course of 2 years, my acquaintance changed from a tea party member to an outright liberal because his tea party ideals was going to put him, his wife, and his two young daughters in the street just because he lost his job and he no insurance company would cover him for his condition.Try to be politically correct all you want, moderates. I won't negotiate with evil.

Actually, I've been aware of these figures for quite a while. I've pointed them out once and a right winger called it a coincidence. Not being able to counter such claim, I never mentioned it again.

Would you agree or disagree with the statement that American is a jean wearing culture?