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Blue Jay

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Message 15 of 60 (575426)
08-19-2010 11:55 PM

Reply to: Message 14 by subbie
08-19-2010 8:06 PM

Re: How do you take the "dick" out of "ridickulous?"

Hi, Subbie.

subbie writes:

Is one being a dick for ridiculing a ridiculous position?

One is never going to sell oneself as a rational person, or one's positions as rational positions, if one relies on ridicule to make one's points.

I don't think most people read ridicule-laden responses to ridiculous comments and realize how deserved the ridicule was.

I think most people read ridicule-laden comments and decide that the person giving the ridicule is just as deserving of ridicule as they think the person they're ridiculing is.

On top of that, I haven't seen any evidence on EvC that ridicule has greater success than reason by any metric.

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Message 18 of 60 (575602)
08-20-2010 3:10 PM

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08-20-2010 12:04 AM

Re: How do you take the "dick" out of "ridickulous?"

Hi, Subbie.

subbie writes:

Bluejay writes:

On top of that, I haven't seen any evidence on EvC that ridicule has greater success than reason by any metric.

Perhaps. But when reason and evidence fail, at least ridicule is entertaining.

Okay, so I guess there is one metric.

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Message 53 of 60 (577166)
08-27-2010 11:22 AM

Reply to: Message 51 by Granny Magda
08-27-2010 9:51 AM

Re: Spreading your worldview.

Hi, Granny.

You have to admit: you were kind of sending mixed signals there.

Dash disagreed with Taq's analogy, and, instead of confirming the appropriateness of the analogy, you confirmed the failure of it in at least one aspect. I was able to make the connection myself, but I can also see why Dash got the wrong idea from it.

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Furthermore, I think your "criticism of drug abuse is not drug abuse" analogy is pretty poor, as well, because, while religion and criticism of religion are analogous in the sense of being epistemological positions (and thus, could easily be mistaken as parallel endeavors), drug abuse and criticism of drug abuse are not really analogous to each other in any meaningful way.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

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