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Author Topic:   We youth at EvC are in Moral Decline
kjsimons
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Message 216 of 253 (52053)
08-24-2003 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Dan Carroll
08-24-2003 5:02 PM


If you are in a bar which allows smoking, then you have intentionally gone to a smoke-filled area. The smoke-filled area has not come to you. Nobody invaded anything around you.
What dazzling logic, not! I remember when smoking was allowed everywhere. Airplanes, buses, trains, restaurants, restrooms, everywhere except fuel depots and explosives factories. By your logic, in those days my wanting to eat out, take a plane, train or bus trip, or even just go to the bathroom meant that I chose to go into a smoke-filled area, so it's my own fault. The only reason there are non-smoking areas now it government intervention because smokers felt entitled to smoke everywhere no matter what. More than 60% of the US adult population doesn't smoke so why is it that the 30 some percent think the majority should stuff it.
Smokers should only smoke if nobody within breathing distance minds (~30 feet). If anyone minds, then don't smoke. I sorry to hear that you are addicted to nicotine and I hope you don't die of lung cancer but you have no moral right to continue to smoke in the presence of non-smokers.

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kjsimons
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Message 218 of 253 (52064)
08-24-2003 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Dan Carroll
08-24-2003 6:57 PM


Frankly, yeah. Assuming it's not your plane, bus, train, restaurant, or bathroom.
What a hoot, it's my fault that a bunch of smokers can't control their desire to smoke, so I have to breath cancerous air if I decide to go out in public. You're denying any culpability. So, as a smoker it's okay to poison people. Little kids, grandmas, your friends, anybody, just because you smoke. You are one selfish person, but unfortunately you're not alone. Most smokers are every bit as selfish as you and I guess the non-smokers only recourse is to get the government to ban smoking in all public places because you guys just don't know how to behave properly.

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kjsimons
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Message 220 of 253 (52069)
08-24-2003 8:43 PM
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08-24-2003 8:26 PM


I don't remember saying anything about "out in public." Just private institutions.
You were talking about a bar that was open to the public. That is, a public place with private ownership. Now in a private club, not open to the public, they can and do have more leeway in how things can be done.
Of course, if you want is to toss some more insults, lemme know. I'll take off.
Listen I'm not tossing around insults, I made an observation that you are obviously being selfish for not caring about the harm that you are inflicting on others by smoking in their presence. Everybody will die if they don't breath, nobody will die from not smoking. So breathing trumps smoking, so no public smoking should be allowed. Simple. You may not like it but you have no moral defense for smoking around other people without their permission.

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