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Topic: GOD IS DEAD
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Re: ADDENDUM
Bertot writes: Only science gone bad would come to such a nonsensical conclusion. I see even your hesitation in believing in it in your words, "shows more or less". The very idea that something can come form absolute nothingness is absurd beyond any logic or rational thought. What makes you think this "world" is rational? All the evidence points to your "world" being a complete illusion of the mind.
bertot writes: Only science gone bad would come to such a nonsensical conclusion. I see even your hesitation in believing in it in your words, "shows more or less". The very idea that something can come form absolute nothingness is absurd beyond any logic or rational thought. You live in the same world as i do, where there is no "something" and no "nothing". They are one and the same for all science can offer so far. Sorry to burst your bubble. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Message 226 of 304 (484976)
10-03-2008 7:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 225 by jaywill
10-03-2008 6:35 PM
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Astronomers' say on the beginning
jaywill writes: "Astronomers now find they have painted themselves into a corner because they have proven, by their own methods, that the world began abruptly in an act of creation to which you can trace the seeds of every star, every planet, every living thing in this cosmos and on the earth. And they have found that all this happened as a product of forces they cannot hope to discover ... That there are what I or anyone else would call supernatural forces at work is now, I think, a scientifically proven fact." While i don't believe that the 8,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 atoms(8 billion billion billion) that make up a human body, combined with high precision completely by chance over the course of 600 mln. years, I wouldn't take the word of an astronomer on topics like "the creation of the universe". Maybe you could cite more credible authors, there are people who believe in a creator/architect of the Big Bang and the universe in every field of science. Admins, sorry I cannot type exponents, my laptop lacks this function or i just don't know how to invoke special characters. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Message 230 of 304 (485100)
10-05-2008 7:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 229 by onifre
10-04-2008 1:58 PM
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Re: ADDENDUM
onifre writes: First, I am not implying anything, I was explaning Hawkings theory to you. But, to answer your question, nothing. There was nothing before the BB since the BB is the start of spacetime. Now, that is not to equate it to simply meaning nothingness and then poof. Hi onifre, You brought up Steven Hawking and since this is the right sub-forum, he says in his book "A Brief History Of Time" that "an expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job". Just food for thought for hardcore atheists. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Message 232 of 304 (485153)
10-05-2008 6:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 231 by Rahvin
10-05-2008 3:28 PM
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Re: ADDENDUM
Agobot writes: Hi onifre, You brought up Steven Hawking and since this is the right sub-forum, he says in his book "A Brief History Of Time" that "an expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job". Just food for thought for hardcore atheists. Rahvin writes: It also doesn't preclude fairies, unicorns, or Santa Claus. Just food for thought for people who think that lack of falsification alone is somehow evidence of existence. No it just means that we are not die-hard atheists and we keep an open-mind to all possibilities. Life teaches us that not everything is skin deep and that the universe is stranger than we can imagine. An open mind helps along the way. A lot. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.-Albert Einstein
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Message 247 of 304 (485477)
10-08-2008 5:45 PM
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Recipe
Can anyone guess what this recipe is for(no, it's not candy  )? Oxygen (65%) Carbon (18%) Hydrogen (10%) Nitrogen (3%) Calcium (1.5%) Phosphorus (1.0%) Potassium (0.35%) Sulfur (0.25%) Sodium (0.15%) Magnesium (0.05%) Copper, Zinc, Selenium, Molybdenum, Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine, Manganese, Cobalt, Iron (0.70%) Lithium, Strontium, Aluminum, Silicon, Lead, Vanadium, Arsenic, Bromine (trace amounts) Hint: that's the recipe that wrote my signature . I am not claiming anything, just thought it was funny and maybe somebody will ponder what life is. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" "I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" -Albert Einstein
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Re: Recipe
Bertot writes: I thought we werent suppose to use the word "Homo" on this website. Ofcourse I an just kidding for all you Homo Erectus' out there. You still think we did not descend from Homo Erectus. Did your biblical god spread around fake bones and skeletons of homo erectus?
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Re: Recipe
Bertot writes: No he didnt spread fake bones around, your champions have the amazing ability to construct whole creatures out of a single tooth or a bone fragment. Quite literally they make a mountain out of a mole hill, and exclaim, "see we found it, no really we did, everybody look over here, we are scientists and we cant be wrong". Besides this, why did numerous types of primates (gorillas, apes) and a whole host of other hairy goomers suvive and human beings but not one example of this intermediate imaginary contrivance. Can we really believe that millons of types of these things could simply disappear or be out competed? Isnt it just a little supicious that not one example survived to the present day or that past generations do not seriously consider them. D Bertot Attempting to disprove Evolution is the wrong approach in attacking hard atheists positions IMO. I don't think you stand a chance, evidence is in your face, against you. Didn't the Pope accept the Evolution theory a decade ago?
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" "I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" -Albert Einstein
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Message 265 of 304 (485768)
10-11-2008 2:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 263 by cavediver
10-11-2008 12:06 PM
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Prayers statistics
cavediver writes: If God is behind everything, he's hiding evidence of his presence well. So forget about it That's what i was thinking the other day and I have no faith in religions. If i am right and there is a God/Creator/Whatever power that set everyting in motion, he's putting great efforts into hiding his presence. Why would he destroy all those efforts by providing us with his wisdoms in the Bible and reveal his existence to us so bluntly? Wouldn't it make more sense that those gospels were actually made up by men and not by a god that's so desperate to remain in hiding? Let alone the fact that the bible is so wrong on the creation account, the chronological history of earth, the fact that what it calls an omni-benevolent god is nowhere near being so omni-benevolent - the Holocoust, AIDS, leukemnia, etc. other grand life drama...). Is there any statistics on the outcomes of prayers(prayer being such a common practice among all known religions)? I'd love to see what effect a prayer has on the desired outcome. That'd be wonderful in a thread like this.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" "I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" -Albert Einstein
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Re: ADDENDUM
bertot writes: Does the NBP offer any solutions as to the origins of things, yes or no? Does it present another solution to the only possible two solutions in the context of the discussion. If so what is it? There is a third possibility and it will fall in the realm of the Copenhagen Interpretation of the double slit experiment. In a sentence it will posit that we(as observers) create the universe, and not the universe us (loosely interpreted, this theory is silly and is not well supported logically). There are other logical possibilities, one of which i addressed in other threads, but let's just sum it all up and say that when we get to the singularity point, all theories pertaning to it or prior to the BB seem ridiculous to human common sense. As long as you don't have preconceived notions about what the nature of that theory has to be, you'll be able to embrace most of them as possible IMO. Bertot, do you think the singularity is compatible with christianity? Where does it fall in the biblical account of Genesis? Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" "I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" -Albert Einstein
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Re: ADDENDUM
bertot writes: This is NOT another logical possibility because it immediately assumes that something was PRIOR to that event.. If there was not one would need to demonstrate that those properties came from "nothingness" or that THAT those and other materials are eternal, a task that is for all intents and purposes impossible. No no. You misunderstood what i was getting at, perhaps because you missed the threads where i discussed it. Anyway, i was thinking more in line with the reasoning of Einstein on the nature of reality and our human role in it, as in the following quote: "The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" "I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" -Albert Einstein
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Agobot
Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: 12-16-2007
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Message 298 of 304 (486342)
10-18-2008 6:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 293 by ICANT
10-18-2008 12:54 PM
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Re: ADDENDUM
ICANT writes: There was an absence of some thing outside of that entity. I have been told there was no thing outside of that hot little thing. No time, no gravity, no space, no energy, no mass and no matter. Now if there was some thing, what was it? I never implied that something IS out there. I only said we cannot fully dismiss the possibility that hypotetically it was at least possible that some other form of existence might reside there, that's not bound by the limitations of our spacetime. I never implied it was the home of Jesus, Buddah or Mohammed, if that's what you are hinting at. BTW, I don't think we can understand what you meant by "Now if there was some thing, what was it?". How should anyone know what WAS there at some point in the past in the uncreated? Or did you mean "If there was something, what could it have been?" Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" "I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" -Albert Einstein
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