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Is god an objective reality?

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06-22-2008 3:18 AM

Is it possible that god could be an 'objective' reality using the dictionary definition of objective?
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ob·jec·tive (b-jktv)
adj.
1. Of or having to do with a material object.
2. Having actual existence or reality.
3.
a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices: an objective critic.
b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal.
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Or is it more likely that god is a subjective reality as in the given definition?
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sub·jec·tive (sb-jktv)
adj.
1.
a. Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world: a subjective decision.
b. Particular to a given person; personal: subjective experience.
2. Moodily introspective.
3. Existing only in the mind; illusory.
4. Psychology Existing only within the experiencer's mind.
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06-23-2008 7:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 3 by New Cat's Eye
06-23-2008 10:00 AM

god of the imagination?
Is it possible that god could be an 'objective' reality using the dictionary definition of objective?
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Yes, I would say it's possible.
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Or is it more likely that god is a subjective reality as in the given definition?
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I dunno.... where's the data?
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I would think that if someone is objective (without emotional attachment and prior knowledge) then it is impossible for god to exist in their reality.
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Is it possible the subjective data lies in the perceptions formed from personal experiences?
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06-23-2008 7:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 3 by New Cat's Eye
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06-24-2008 7:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 7 by New Cat's Eye
06-23-2008 1:10 PM

Re: Recognising Objectivity
Because, to me, it seems like god does exist. And I don't feel the need to prove something's existence for me to believe in it. I cannot prove that my mother loves me but I think she does.
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Your mother does exist though?
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06-24-2008 7:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 14 by New Cat's Eye
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Re: god of the imagination?
But you are wrong because if the above was true, then the concept of god could have never emerged.
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I don't know but you make a good point. Where would this concept of god have emerged?
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I think the only 'evidence' of god is the imagination.
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To be honest, I would perfer to believe in god, but I feel the notion of god was 'ingrained' in me as a child. No longer a child, I wish to know the truth. regards
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06-27-2008 9:10 PM 		Reply to: Message 18 by New Cat's Eye
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Re: god of the imagination?
If, as you said, the concept of god couldn't exist without emotional attachment and prior knowledge, then the first concept of god couldn't have emerged. But it did, so you're wrong.
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I was speaking in the present moment of what is driving the belief in god. From personal experience, everything I 'knew' about god was from heresay and my own emotions, generally fear.
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So who was this cave man who first had the idea?
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But from my own experiences I have concluded that god exists.
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I wonder why we have drawn opposite conclusions? I would be convinced however, if the personal experience with god is more than just imagination.
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