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Author Topic:   Polygamy that involves child abuse - Holmes, Randman, CS?
iano
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Message 53 of 126 (462987)
04-11-2008 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Stile
04-10-2008 6:30 PM


Re: I like that
Stile writes:
Polyamory is simply polygamy without the title of "marriage".
I still think polygamy should be legalized as it has no effect on anything at all. The entire functionality of polygamy (polyamory) is currently alive and well in our society (Canada and the US). We may as well add the simple title.
Can you think of any possible reason at all to refuse adding a name for something that already fully exists within society?
Perhaps I can. I don't know if the institution of marriage there attracts privileges and rights from the state but it does so in Ireland. If you added the name marriage to to polymory then you would also add the rights associated with the name.
That is to say: the reason to not simply add the title is that it is not simply a title. Not in Ireland at any rate.

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iano
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Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 57 of 126 (463004)
04-11-2008 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Stile
04-11-2008 9:44 AM


Re: I like that
iano writes:
I don't know if the institution of marriage there attracts privileges and rights from the state but it does so in Ireland. If you added the name marriage to to polymory then you would also add the rights associated with the name.
Stile writes:
So, we have evil being polyamorous and abusing others. Legally. And we have good people being polyamorous who do not get the benefits. Your point is that we shouldn't give the benefits to those good people?
Nope. My point was to remind you that there is more to marriage than mere title. Because of that, there exists reasons to consider whether or not to extend the rights associated with marriage to polyamorous relationships. Good or bad doesn't come into it.
Therefore, the only point in refusing the benefits, is to not give it to the good people. Since it has no effect whatsoever on the evil that's being done.
Not extending the benefits would have an effect on both 'good' and 'evil' relationships. For example, neither good nor evil parties (in Ireland) would enjoy inheritance tax breaks. An example of there being something more to marriage than mere title.
My point was a narrow one, made to deal with the question you posed in isolation. Not in response to the issue of preventing 'evil' occurring.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 119 of 126 (463893)
04-21-2008 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Silent H
04-21-2008 6:33 PM


Sheer pot luck...
You say your a relativist. Yet you seem to draw lines in the sand in places - as would an absolutist. For example, you frequently invoke "consent" as a line in the sand not to be crossed.
Don't get me wrong, I think you display the courage of your convictions more than most (however abominable those convictions might be to whomever). Yet in this you seem to fall at some last fence or other...
Could you enlighten me?

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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 122 of 126 (463898)
04-21-2008 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Silent H
04-21-2008 7:15 PM


Re: Sheer pot luck...
That is a line I am willing to fight for.
What upsets me in threads like this or the other, I find people within my own culture wanting to strip the foundations of our system to fit their own moral compass.
Leaving aside the fact that the foundations weren't laid by God but by mere people-who-held-a-view, what's the essential difference between the moral compass you fight for (involving consent) and the moral compass your opposite, the moral absolutist - of whatever hue?
Other than in the details, I mean.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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