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Author Topic:   Could mainstream christianity ever make peace with gay people?
Taz
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Message 127 of 263 (458267)
02-28-2008 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by blacksky
02-27-2008 5:35 PM


Blacksky, just ignore iano. He's got this christian moral superiority complex going. He'll never be able to even come close to understanding the prejudice people like you face from people like him. Just let him continue preaching his hate message veiled in religious context. If there really is a god, I'm sure he'll burn in hell for his hate and judging people in life.

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Taz
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Message 145 of 263 (459249)
03-05-2008 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Silent H
03-05-2008 12:22 AM


Silent H writes:
but he doesn't seem extremely bigoted or judgmental at all.
I don't want to get into another argument with you, since I don't have the time right now to read and write long posts like we did a week ago.
Don't you find it odd that even though iano goes on and on about how we are all sinners and such, he seem to pay particular close attention to this one sin of homosexuality? I call this bullshit from his end. He is clearly singling out homosexuality while at the same time claiming it to be just another sin so we can't say anything back to him. Why doesn't he go on and on about people eating shellfish or wearing clothes made of 2 kinds of cloth?
This is a bullshit tactic to condem people without having to admit that they just condemned people. Surely, even you can see this.
I will admit iano's stance to be genuine when I see him giving equal weight to other sins mentioned in the bible. Before then, as far as I'm concern he is just another christian bigot hiding behind a thin veil of religious self-righteous bullshit.
I am at a loss as to how you have come to an interpretation that Xianity is not inherently anti-homosexual. It is openly labeled an abomination, adherents are exhorted to punish such acts, and it is normally indicated as a sign of weakness.
For once, I agree with you on something.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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Taz
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Message 248 of 263 (462597)
04-05-2008 5:23 PM


To answer my own question...
not anytime soon as far as I can see.
Marc Hall v. Durham Catholic School Board
quote:
Marc Hall v. Durham Catholic School Board began when Oshawa, Ontario's Monsignor John Pereyma Catholic Secondary School asked students attending the prom to submit the names of the guests they intended to bring. Hall, who is gay, submitted the name of his 21 year old boyfriend, Jean-Paul Dumond, and was denied on the grounds that homosexuality is incompatible with Roman Catholic teaching.[1]
Supported by his family and a wide variety of community organizations, Hall thus took the school board to court in a two-day hearing that began on May 6, 2002. Hall's lawyer, David Corbett, argued that the denial of his request violated the Ontario Education Act, which requires school boards in the province not to discriminate. The school board, on the other hand, argued that court interference in its decision would amount to denying its religious freedom.
Corbett argued that an organization which accepts public funding (Catholic school boards in Ontario are fully funded in the same manner as public schools) has to be accountable to the same laws (including anti-discrimination laws) as other public institutions. The school board's lawyer countered that Section 93 of the Canadian constitution protects the Catholic board's rights to conduct its affairs in accordance with Catholic teaching.
In addition, Corbett noted that while extramarital sex is also contrary to Catholic teaching, the school board had previously allowed pregnant students to attend the prom.
On May 10, Justice Robert McKinnon granted an interlocutory injunction ordering that Hall be allowed to attend the prom with Dumond. The justice also ordered that the school not cancel the prom. He did not decide on the larger issues raised by the case, leaving those to be heard at a later trial. In 2005, Marc Hall dropped the case.
Chelsea Overstreet and Lauren Martin
quote:
Judge rules schoolcannot ban pairfrom the festivities
SCOTTSBORO - Chelsea Overstreet and Lauren Martin were like many other Scottsboro High School girls Saturday afternoon, both nervous and excited about going to their first prom in a only a few hours.
But unlike the others, they went to the dance as a gay couple, something the Scottsboro City Board of Education tried unsuccessfully to stop.
"It's something they had been planning for a year," Martin's mother, Connie Farrington, said during a press conference Saturday afternoon with their lawyer, Parker Edmiston, at his Scottsboro office. "Just like every other child, she was ecstatic" about going.
But the day before spring break two weeks ago, the mothers said, their girls were told by school officials that they could not go as a homosexual couple.
"It was a big letdown" for the girls, Farrington said. She said they had already bought their prom tickets and formal wear for the dance.
A last-minute court order from Jackson County Circuit Judge John Graham of Stevenson prohibited the board from banning the girls from the junior-senior prom at Scottsboro's Goosepond Civic Center Saturday night.
In making his 10:15 a.m. ruling Saturday, Graham cited two federal court rulings. In one, the U.S. Supreme Court said "states and their agencies ... cannot set-out homosexuals for special treatment..." The other "prohibits publicly-funded schools ... from barring same-sex couples from school functions."
Efforts to reach school officials for comment were unsuccessful.
During the press conference, Edmiston, Farrington and Overstreet's mother, Sarah Collins, answered reporters' questions as the girls stayed in another room. Edmiston said the girls would not be talking to reporters, although photos and videos of them were permitted after the press conference. Overstreet, 17, a junior, wore her prom dress while Martin, 16, a sophomore, had on a tuxedo.
"This is just a dance," Edmiston said. "Adults need not get involved."
My take on this? It's already hard enough that these kids have to deal with people's shit almost on a daily basis just because of who they love. But now school officials are also giving them shit... as if having asshole jocks beating up a gay kid to prove their manhood wasn't enough.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

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