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teen4christ
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Message 16 of 56 (460966)
03-20-2008 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by 2ice_baked_taters
03-20-2008 4:47 PM


Re: We're Gonna' Catch It.
2 writes
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The nature of what is expanding is not yet clear.
I think it's pretty clear by now that it's space that is expanding.
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Space has properties of energy. Then it has mass.
You are mistaking what goes on in space as oppose to what space itself is.
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We simply do not have the ability to detect it yet.
Space is space. It's simply silly to try to define it in terms of other things.
We often run into the same problem with trying to define scientific terms like entropy and such to the general public. People tend to want to define such things in terms of normal everyday things. We can't do that all the time. Space is space. Gravity is gravity. Energy is energy. Entropy is entropy. If you try to define any of those terms in everyday language, you will inevitably end up losing much of its meaning.
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I hear time and again that nothing is actually composed of energy
Where on Earth did you hear this from?
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space as an expanding thing with no substance.
Space is space. It is expanding. The way we define substance is anything that occupies space. To try to define what space is by using the word substance makes no sense.
Try to think of it this way. You have an epidermis (skin) layer covering your body. We define body hair as strands of dead protein cells that grows out of the skin. What is skin? You can define it in a lot of way. But it's simply silly to try to define what the skin is in term of body hair. No amount of body hair will ever make up the skin.
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We used to thing air was "empty"
We thought wrong. Again, we didn't discover air by defining it with normal everyday language back then. We had to invent a whole new concept of matter state, mainly gaseous state. What is gas? If you want to define what gas is in term of rock and dirt, no amount of explanation will do it justice.
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For space to exist and have no mass it cannot be physical. That does not follow. Nothing is "not physical" Everything is made of something.
Space is very physical. The fact that it is not composed of "normal matter" like we know it or that it cannot be defined using everyday normal language does not negate this fact.
Anyway, the point is you can't try to understand what space is in terms of other things just like you can't understand what the color yellow is in terms of other colors like red and black. Red is red. Yellow is yellow. Space is space. Gravity is gravity. A field is a field. A bird is a bird. A reptile is reptile. You don't try to define what a reptile is with words like "rock" and "metal" do you? Why would you want to define space with substance and energy?

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teen4christ
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Message 17 of 56 (460968)
03-20-2008 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Percy
03-20-2008 6:23 PM


Re: We're Gonna' Catch It.
Percy writes
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But aren't we drifting a bit far from the original topic? Does this tie back in somehow?
Are you always an on-topic nazi like this? Without proper understanding of what space-time is or isn't, there is no hope of understanding what the big bang is or implies.

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teen4christ
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Message 33 of 56 (463855)
04-21-2008 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by there is no evo proof
04-21-2008 1:33 PM


Re: Big bang us scientifically imposiible
Word of advice from one believer to another on how people will react to your comment. Permit me to reitterate.
look god is simply dismissed from the beginning
and that is by where did god come from? someone had to make it. now i know you will say oh it always existed. it cant because of the second law of thermodynamics everything tends toward a state of equilibrium in other words we still have hot and cold we should not if everything always existed forever.
also there is no proof of angels and heaven. please try me with a single shred of proof there is none
Know what I mean?

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