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pelican Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
I believe that the Jesus' story shows the criteria of unconditional love> For example, there is no greater love than to lay down your life for a friend, love thine enemies, forgive them for they know not what they do and more.
The practising of unconditional love can been a burden and wonder if it is at all possible to truly love unconditionally, taking the word as literally meaning : without condition? This translates into being without judgment and putting the recipients well being and feelings first at all times. Can unconditional love be defined in any other way?
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pelican Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
I see unconditional love as dangerous. The outcome cannot be predicted.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
when he's talking about unconditional love, he's not talking about blindly following a leader. the two topics have nothing to do with each other. it's not even the same topic.
unconditional love refers to how one treats another person not what you do with your weekends.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5882 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote: In a love relationship with anyone, do the lovers expect something in return? Does Jesus? Or does He show the lengths He has gone to receive love in return? Putting the well-being of a lover before one's own, is common sense, or the lover will soon find someone else who does meet the requirements in the relationship. Platonic love, on the other hand, is not what Jesus practices, nor do true lovers in a lovers' relationship.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
what part of "love your enemy" and "love your neighbor" does not include platonic love? you know. unless you think we should be having free sex (i really doubt it.)
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
IMHO, Jesus' supposedly sacrifice was not a demonstration of unconditional love. Let's look at the 2 words.
Love is, well, love. Unconditional... also self-explanatory. No condition is required to attain the love of the creator. In other words, you don't have to be a good person to be loved. Would a god that shows unconditional love for his children cast the ones he doesn't like down to the eternal pit of hell? That's not unconditional love. In other words, for me at least, unconditional love is when god decided NOT to bring me into existence so I wouldn't have to suffer for an eternity in hell. That's unconditional love.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
bren writes:
I see nothing wrong with this.
unless you think we should be having free sex.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
i don't, really, either. but i doubt he feels the same way. however, i don't see jesus commanding us to boink osama.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Would a god that shows unconditional love for his children cast the ones he doesn't like down to the eternal pit of hell? That's not unconditional love. i'm not convinced that discussion of the modern idea of hell were contemporary to jesus. and no, it isn't. see? biblical inconsistencies are just reserved for questions of dates.
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SGT Snorkel Junior Member (Idle past 5735 days) Posts: 23 From: Boone, IA USA Joined: |
The practising of unconditional love can been a burden and wonder if it is at all possible to truly love unconditionally, taking the word as literally meaning : without condition? This translates into being without judgment and putting the recipients well being and feelings first at all times. Let me have a go at this. Just remember small mind, small thoughts, so do not expect much. Of course as humans, we cannot love unconditionally, no more than we can live a sin free life, do everything perfectly, etc. That does not mean that we cannot make it a goal and work toward it in all of our dealings with others. One of my favorite sayings is, "Once my hero, always my hero." What that means to me is that if you become friends with me I will be your friend no matter what. I would submit that this is one definition of unconditional love. I certainly do not get a financial gain or an increase of social stature from my friendships, nor do my friends get them from me. What they get and I get is a smile when we meet, help when needed, consolation when sad. That love can never be a burden. Can we love unconditionally like Jesus did? Probably not. Can we do a pretty fair imitation? Yes. Is it ever a burden? I don't see how it could be.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
I thought he was talking about the 'definition' of unconditional love? We all have different ideas on what it actually is and I know mine is radical. However, mine is a reasoned perception of unconditional love and worth considering, even if it doesn't agree with yours.
I am interested in the diversity of definitions, as I believe is Heinrik, although I dare say he will speak for himself. I think it is dangerous because the outcome or the effect on self and others cannot be predicted.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
Are speaking from the reciever's point of view? I think you may be describing how it would [or should] feel to be loved unconditionally?
I understand your reasoning of why a lover would leave if not loved unconditionally, but is the lover returning the unconditional love? Wouldn't it be reasonable to expect to be loved unconditionally in return?
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pelican Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
In theory I agree with you but in reality it doesn't work like that. "Bad" people are not loved unconditionally. I don't know about god but many don't feel loved unconditionally by the god they believe in, as you seem to indicate. You may believe you are deserving and I think you are too. However, many feel undeserving and many think others are undeserving.
Does unconditional love contain no pain and no suffering? Isn't it part of the true nature of unconditional love to hurt sometimes in either the giving or recieving?
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pelican Member (Idle past 5016 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
I agree with the definition you give in this example of loving a friend unconditionally, no matter what. However, what if the 'no matter what' was hurting you? Would you still be able to help and support your friend, as this definition of unconditional love would require you to do so?
I tried for a long time with a partner. I forgave and understood but after 26yrs, I could not do it any longer. I didn't blame my partner and my partner no way wanted me to leave. Neither did I, but it was destroying me. I had to walk to save myself. This is why I believe loving another unconditionally can be a burden. Do I still love this person unconditionally? Obviously not. I don't want this person in my life again without a radical change in their behaviour. Sorry but true. I wonder if Jesus did love unconditionally no matter what? Did he 'not accept' some and 'accepted' others? He hand picked his immediate followers, all male may I add. Doesn't unconditional love contain equality and no favouritism? Just a thought.
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