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crashfrog
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Message 4 of 14 (434832)
11-17-2007 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by sarahjennifer
11-17-2007 12:10 PM


I am looking for affordable natural or organic food to cure myself as I do not have too much money.
Sigh.
He lives in a country with public heathcare - which, for poor people over here in the US, is like the most fevered dream of paradise - and he'd rather turn to organic quackery for relief. Some people.

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crashfrog
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Message 7 of 14 (434882)
11-17-2007 9:47 PM
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11-17-2007 7:15 PM


They aren't sure why yet, but there's supposed to be some follow up work to figure it out.
I've heard of that, that organic tomatoes for instance have something like double the lycopene; the suggestion is that tomatoes produce lycopene as a response either to nutrient stress or as a response to predation. And it may just be that they're using cultivars that naturally have more lycopene, simply because they're hardier.
You see that a lot in organic crops; they're usually cultivars selected for hardiness, and a lot of that hardiness comes from natural pesticides.
But they're no less dangerous from being "natural." Recently there was a recall of organic celery because it was so high in natural pesticides that people were getting rashes just from handling it. At any rate, you could simply buy lycopene supplements for what you'd wind up spending on organic fruit.

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crashfrog
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Message 9 of 14 (434964)
11-18-2007 11:36 AM
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11-18-2007 7:03 AM


Just wanted to get it out there that, yes, contrary to popular impression around here, people like you and I really do change our minds in the light of new evidence.
This is true. My position has changed from "organic foods provide no benefits over regular foods" to "organic foods don't provide nearly enough benefit over regular foods to justify the cost."
But, yeah, evidence and all that.

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crashfrog
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Message 11 of 14 (435061)
11-18-2007 7:51 PM
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11-18-2007 5:58 PM


If you're going to skimp you might better opt to get frugal with cheap oil & fuel for the replaceable auto, applying the savings to the irreplaceable mind, body and soul.
There's no evidence of any health benefits from organic foods, and personally, I like my pesticides on the surface of my fruits and vegetables where I can wash them off, rather than expressed throughout the flesh of the plant, the way organic pesticides are.
I prefer to expend money where it will make a meaningful change in the quality of my life. Organic foods don't do that at all.

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