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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I will say it again, I was believing in evolution for 38 years, then I felt God. What am I supposed to think? You're supposed to have enough critical thinking skills to realize that wasn't god, just a bad burrito. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Since, RR, you can't tell me why matter can't be created or destroyed it is obvious that you have no clue how a motor or air conditioning unit works. They involve moving matter around and deal with energy don't they? I could also not know how to design one, and still work on one. so realistically I will say, I do not fully understand how it works, only partially. How did you make the leap, and say no clue. None of what I am saying leads towards not knowing a clue. I am only being realistic and saying, we don't know it all, or will we ever in this lifetime.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Would you stay on topic please? I am very much on topic when I am answering questions. If you want to pick on someone, pick on the person who asked it.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
How can you say that? What makes you think science has a poor track record (as we communicate over the internet)? Science by itself is a wonderful concept, and deals with truth. I've come to realize that if God is truth, and science is truth, then there must be a wy to tie them together. Where we fall short is what we do with both of those things. With religion, maybe having the worse hand in the deal. I am not satisfied with religion, or the way people use science, practically. Also the obnoxiousness when it comes to thinking we somehow are on this high level of knowledge, when the truth is we don't know crap, and live on a little tiny spec in the universe.some of the doctors I've had to deal with in the past are perfect examples of this, thinking they somehow "know it all." Even if they don't come out and say it (one did) they sure do act that way. One day science says wine is not good for you, then after further study, it is now good for you. I neither need a Priest telling me if I am going to hell, just like I don't need rrhain pretending to know where life came from, when he can't even tell me exactly how gravity works.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You're supposed to have enough critical thinking skills to realize that wasn't god, just a bad burrito. jar, you've just pushed me over the edge. That was the nail in the coffin. I am fully convinced you don't know shit. You realize how you've just made yourself appear by saying that? What makes your idea of God, so much mightier than mine? You can go you know what. In about 95% of what you say on this forum, I see nothing, emptiness. You talk and talk, but never say anything. But it is all the gospel according to jar, or jar's cult of christian ignorance. I feel God everyday, yet I do not eat burritos everyday, go figure. In the name of the Father Son, and Holy Burrito, amen.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
"He did it first!" is not an excuse, rat.
Cut it out.
I don't need rrhain pretending to know where life came from... If I put blue food coloring in a glass of water and then red food coloring in a glass of water, the water turns purple. I created purple. If I put this chemical in a big warm pool and then that chemical in a big warm pool, they spontaneously combine to form life. Or, as Rrhain so elegantly put it ...
Abiogenesis is about creating life from non-biotic reagents, not creating those non-biotic reagents in the first place. Got it? Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You realize how you've just made yourself appear by saying that? What makes your idea of God, so much mightier than mine? You can go you know what. It is irrelevant how I appear, the readers will make their own decisions on that, what we were discussing is the God you create and describe. You said:
I will say it again, I was believing in evolution for 38 years, then I felt God. What am I supposed to think? That implies that regardless of all the evidence, just because you get some feeling you attribute to the god you create, Evolution suddenly is wrong. Yet when I have asked you "How do you know it is God?", you have NEVER been able to explain just what the mechanism is; how someone tells god from a bad burrito. Further, since there is NOTHING in either Evolution or the Theory of Evolution that in anyway relates to whether there is a God or even whether or not God is the Creator, it is also either a really false statement or the god you are talking about is some little trickster out to con the rubes. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
My problem is with the word create, which in this thread has two different meanings.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 445 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
just because you get some feeling you attribute to the god you create, When you say that, you show the readers your ignorance. You've also put a whole book of words in my mouth.
Further, since there is NOTHING in either Evolution or the Theory of Evolution that in anyway relates to whether there is a God or even whether or not God is the Creator, it is also either a really false statement or the god you are talking about is some little trickster out to con the rubes. You have God in a box.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I don't evolve, and I'm not planning on reproducing. quote: Not in the context of this discussion, it isn't. the only definition used in this thread has been Biological Evolution. Parasomnium can't evolve, since individuals don't evolve.
quote: This is a nonsensical statement, given the context of Biological Evolution.
quote: Yes. In the context of Biological Evolution, reproduction is key.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Isn't it also possible that you felt a demon that tricked you into thinking you were feeling God? Isn't it possible that this demon is making you doubt the findings of science, which is making you anti-science, and therefore an agent of Satan?
quote: What does God have to do with science? Or are you confusing God with religious myth?
quote: the poor track record of science? Excuse me, but science has an excellent track record of becoming righter and righter and righter about the nature of, well, nature.
quote: If I am on a side it is the side of rationality, empiricism, and evidence. All of these things work very well regardless of belief or faith of the person using them. It isn't my fault that such things are in short supply among religions.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
riVeRraT responds to me:
quote:quote: Oh? Why? Does the vending machine behave differently to Denver quarters as opposed to Philly quarters? If not, then how can you say that it matters?
quote: I think they're connected, too. That's why I asked. The point I am making is that if the vending machine doesn't care what mint the quarter came from, then it is invalid to say that there is a difference between the two.
quote: But the point you're missing is that you're moved beyond what you originally set out to do. The vending machine doesn't care where the quarters come from. In order to be considered a valid coin, the only things that matter are things like weight, size, magnetic properties, etc. That doesn't mean there's nothing to be gained by tracing the coins back to their origins, but it does mean that their origins make no difference to their usage. You're trying to make biology answer a question of physics. Do you not see why that's a silly thing to do? When was the last time you used a wooden paintbrush as a magnet? They have their uses, but the former simply cannot function as the latter and it is ridiculous to demand that it must.
quote: Can it be done through physical processes? That's it. That's all the tools we are using can answer for us. If you want to answer another question, you'll need to switch to a different toolset. Biology is not physics and you cannot use biology to answer a question of physics.
quote: That's a question for philosophy, not science.
quote: Is there anything that can happen on its own?
quote: Ah, yes, one of the last refuges of those with no argument: Claim that because we don't know everything, that means we don't know anything.
quote:quote: What else other than chemistry was going on in the test tube? No humans were in there, so we know that humans had nothing to do with it. Was it god? When reagents react, do the chemical bonds rearrange themselves because a conscious, personal, deliberate entity grabs hold of the electrons and moves them? Or does it happen on its own? Is there anything that happens on its own?
quote:quote: Non sequitur. Let's try again: Is there anything that happens on its own? For example, does gravity happen on its own? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
quote: I never said I did and I demand that you show me the exact quote where I even hinted that I did. It really is that important, riVeRraT. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
riVeRraT responds to jar:
quote: Probably the same attitude that makes you think that your idea of god is so much mightier than everybody else's. If you want, I can drag up your quotes regarding Judaism. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
riVeRraT responds to me:
quote:quote: You don't know what "implication" means, do you? Hint: I'm a mathematician. What do you think I mean when I use the word "implication"? Especially if I use it in the phrase, "arrow of implication"?
quote:quote: Incorrect. You have directly said that humans will never be able to create "life." Do you not recall this exchange:
I get the feeling you won't be satisfied unless and until humans can clap their hands, declaim "Presto!" and zap-poof a kitten into being on command. Thats right. It would seem that you know quite well.
quote:quote: Um, you do understand that the robots in the auto factory aren't actually cars, yes? The cars aren't reproducing. It isn't like a car buds off another one or two BMWs come together, one squirts some lubricating fluid into the other, and some time later you get a Mini.
quote:quote: And thus, you do exactly what I asked you not to do.
quote:quote: No, you call him a "vet." You do understand the difference between a veterinarian and a mechanic, between biology and engineering, yes? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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