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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 10 of 47 (408331)
07-01-2007 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
07-01-2007 9:06 AM


1) Do you drink alcohol more than once a week?
i prefer a drink with or after dinner, but i'm trying to become less fat. but i never end up with it anyways. i generally just get drunk once a month or less. but god help me if we buy a bottle of wine. i almost never leave wine unfinished.
2) Have you ever had a problem with alcohol consumption? (As told to you by others, if not admitted by yourself)
no. arach picks on me and calls me an alcoholic, but he swears he's joking. also, i'm too lazy to drink enough to have problems... and too poor. however, i've decided not to drink at any more social events like parties and gallery openings and stuff. free alcohol seems to affect my judgement. last time i went to an opening, i met a girl i'd met once before... at a party when i was also drunk. i decided if the only times anyone might see me i'm drunk, then maybe i should prevent that.
3) When Is Alcohol a problem? What lines have to be crossed before a drinking habit affects an individuals or a families lives?
when it gets in the way of work or play or driving. alcohol isn't generally a problem. but drunkenness can be.

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Message 24 of 47 (408743)
07-04-2007 1:01 PM
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07-02-2007 5:30 AM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
being drunk doesn't preclude you from being responsible. i mean, sure you can't drive or operate heavy machinery, but it certainly doesn't make you inherently irresponsible. many irresponsible people have blamed it on their lapses in effort, and sure a few get so drunk that they really are no longer in control of their faculties, but that's a select few.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 26 of 47 (408755)
07-04-2007 3:17 PM
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07-04-2007 2:01 PM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
impaired, fine. but not completely irrepsonsible. motor skills and inhibitions do not change your personality and part of being a responsible person is understanding how your judgement is affected so that one is still capable of being a reasonable person despite intoxication.
usually, the only part of my judgement that is affected is whether i should have another drink or not.
It takes an hour for a person to metabolize a single serving of alcohol, so if you drink at a rate faster than one drink an hour, you are going to be impaired.
this is an average. my ability to focus my eyes properly goes with the first sip. i generally don't lose much more than that. but then i have poor motor skills as is. and the whole idea that women hold less is due to the average body weight being lower and nothing more. but then my tolerance is higher than boys twice my weight.
i've never once done anything i wouldn't have done sober. i make my mistakes when i'm "in control of my faculties."
also, notice the difference between my statements and yours. you're discussing how little it may take to be affected. i'm discussing how much it would take to have an excuse for being a dumb cunt.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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Message 29 of 47 (408778)
07-04-2007 9:09 PM
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07-04-2007 5:11 PM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
folks who want to maintain their illusion of complete control should not drink.
folks who want to maintain their illusion of complete control should not drink.
see. you also missed the point of my post. i wasn't talking about complete control. i was talking about how much alcohol it takes to have an excuse for being completely irresponsible. responsibility doesn't require control.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 33 of 47 (408791)
07-04-2007 10:57 PM
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07-04-2007 9:29 PM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
Another difference I'm noticing in our statements is your reliance on self-reporting, when you were drunk, no less.
and your discussion of my drunk experiences as though they are some evidence of responsibility.
Look, anybody who thinks that they can decide, when sober, to maintain their good judgement and normal restraint after they have been drinking is just fooling themselves.
i disagree. but then maybe i've never really been drunk, if it requires that you completely lose your capacity to reason.

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Message 34 of 47 (408792)
07-04-2007 11:01 PM
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07-04-2007 9:45 PM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
hehe i think i forgot to read who posted that. was rushing out to watch fireworks. i only sort of saw the picture. silly me.
anyways, happy 4th. i enjoyed my bratwurst with grilled onions and wine.
i wonder what other horrible lapses in judgement can be made on two glasses of white merlot. did you know they made a white one? it's yummy.

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Message 36 of 47 (408869)
07-05-2007 12:52 PM
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07-05-2007 10:05 AM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
being slightly less in control of your faculties still makes you in control of your faculties. only a select few people drink enough to have absolutely no control over their faculties. you're not arguing my position either.

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Message 38 of 47 (409421)
07-09-2007 12:04 PM
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07-08-2007 10:12 AM


Re: Can you spell S-O-B-R-I-E-T-Y?
quite.

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